In today’s Feature Interview with Elementary School Educator and Author, Leah Moser, we’ll explore the links between education and writing, a writer’s first steps in publishing, publishing timelines, and how to prepare for an author debut.
Leah, welcome to Chelsea’s World of Books Literary Blog. We’re so happy to have you join us for the Feature Interview segment today! It’s always so nice getting to have conversations with new people and learn more about them.
Where are you joining us from?
Thank you for having me on your blog! I’m joining you from the DC area.
How did you hear about Chelsea’s World of Books Literary Blog and the Feature Interview segment?
I first heard about this opportunity on social media; I’ve been following you on Instagram for some time! I read through the previous interviews, and I was intrigued by all the wonderful authors, illustrators, educators, librarians, and poets you’ve had on your blog. It was exciting to learn more about each person’s unique journey in this writing world.
I was excited to see on your application your background in elementary education, as well as psychology. Could you tell us more about this?
I majored in Psychology in college. I was fascinated by the human mind (thoughts, feelings, and emotions) and why people behave the way they do in certain situations. After college, I became a preschool special education assistant for a few years. I realized teaching was my passion, and I received my Master’s in Elementary Education. I worked for years as a 2nd and 3rd-grade teacher before taking a hiatus to be home with my three children. Currently, I’m substitute teaching, writing, editing, and visiting schools as an author!
Were there any connections between your educational background and writing? Explain.
As an educator, I often used picture books to introduce or guide conversations with my students. I appreciated the way books could broach challenging topics in kid-friendly language and spark meaningful discussions. I also recognized what types of books children liked to read and which were good to read aloud. Similarly, I noticed where there were literary holes, like topics that were not covered or characters that seemed underrepresented. I began seeing the KidLit world in a different way, and I knew that I could fill in some of those gaps.
What made you decide to pursue publishing?
When I was in graduate school, I took a children’s literature class where the culminating assignment was to write a picture book. While others struggled through this process, I enjoyed every step of the way. I felt the book was ready to pursue publication. I remember thinking: How hard could it be? After some research, I became overwhelmed and decided to put this publishing dream on the back burner.
Years later, after I had my first child, I met a mother who was also a writer. She invited me to my first critique group with some established, incredible authors. I’ve been writing ever since. It took me some time to feel comfortable in sharing my work with others, but I noticed my writing and stories getting stronger and stronger. I knew I was ready again.
What were some of your first steps when pursuing publication?
After I had several polished, strong manuscripts, I was ready to find an agent and hopefully get some of my work published. I joined social media (at the time, it was Twitter) and Instagram and followed many editors, publishing houses, and agents. I created a spreadsheet with names, information, and what each person/house was looking for to determine if my stories could be a good fit. I spent a lot of time emailing personalized queries and kept my fingers crossed.
Were there any resources/groups that were especially helpful in the beginning of your writing journey?
Yes! I was connected with other established authors through my critique group. I also joined several groups online, such as SCBWI, the 12×12 picture book challenge, and KidLit411 on Facebook. I attended as many local conferences as I could and connected with many KidLit creators in person and online. I also read A LOT of picture books, so I felt like I knew current trends and what was being published at the time.
Were there any difficulties/challenges that you had to face? And, if so, how were you able to overcome them? Explain.
There were and still are many challenges! It took me a long time to find my agent, Dan Cramer of Page Turner Literary Agency. Once I signed with an agent, it took months for us to sell a book. There is so much waiting and so much doubting, but I’ve found the best thing to do is to keep writing and to continue working on other projects.
Was there anything you wish you’d known sooner that you think would be helpful for our readers?
It’s a big transition from “my story” to “our book.” There are so many people involved in making a picture book. I was fortunate to have a fabulous team for I AM A THUNDERCLOUD, and we all shared a similar vision for this book, but I know that isn’t always the case.
You mentioned in your application that you write picture books and early readers, so your target audience is 4-8 years old. What type of genres/characters/themes do you gravitate toward writing? (Friendship/adventure/silly/mystery/SEL/human/animal/etc?)
With my psychology background, I enjoy writing SEL picture books about emotions. I also like to write funny stories that I know kids would get a kick out of. I’ve started writing nonfiction picture books, which have been exciting to research and summarize. I like to write in rhyme as it adds another level of challenge. But mainly, I want to write books that can be entertaining or meaningful for children and their grown-ups.
Are these also your favorite types of stories to read?
I love to read all sorts of picture books. I’m constantly checking books out of the library to share with my children. We enjoy funny books that make us laugh, powerful stories, nonfiction topics that we don’t know much about, and beautiful illustrations.
Speaking of your writing, your debut picture book, I Am a Thundercloud, came out last April, 2024. Congratulations! We’d love to hear about how this story came to be!
Thank you!
What was your inspiration for writing I Am a Thundercloud?
I wrote I AM A THUNDERCLOUD during the pandemic in 2020. As with many people, I felt a lot of emotions during that time. One day, at home, I was thinking of metaphors for feelings, and I thought of the angriest image I could think of. That’s where the angry thundercloud popped into my head. I wrote the first draft of Thundercloud from the perspective of an actual thundercloud. Over time (and with the help of my agent and critique group), the protagonist shifted to a child feeling like a thundercloud.
For readers who may be new to publishing and wondering how long the traditional publishing process takes, could you share how long this story was in the making? Timeframe from story concept to first draft, then to final draft, then query to book deal, and book deal to final publication. (Rough estimate works too!)
I wrote I AM A THUNDERCLOUD in August 2020. I signed with Dan Cramer in February 2021. I got a YES for I AM A THUNDERCLOUD with Running Press Kids in December 2021. I was linked with my wonderful illustrator, Marie Hermansson, in July 2022. The book was released in April 2024.
What made this story shine above any other manuscripts to make it the one that snagged your first book deal? And was this the book that got you your agent with Page Turner Literary?
This is actually not the book that got me my agent. That book has yet to sell (sad face). I AM A THUNDERCLOUD had gotten a few “maybes” before the big YES. I felt cautiously optimistic.
For authors who may be debuting their own PBs soon, what advice would you like to share for things to do to prepare? (Author event prepwork, social media or word of mouth promotional campaign, in-person networking with local bookstores/libraries/schools, strategies on getting new reader reviews, or something else? Feel free to share more than one, if applicable.)
I joined a 2024 picture book debut group, PB Soar 24, which was extremely helpful. I would highly recommend finding one OR creating your own. It was wonderful to support these other debut authors and connect about our experiences. I also frequented local bookstores often, and introduced myself shortly before my book was released. I reached out to bloggers and connected with people in the KidLit world to get my name/book out there. I was active on social media during this time, trying to promote I AM A THUNDERCLOUD. The Running Press Kids team helped arrange a few school visits, but then I reached out to schools on my own. It’s a lot of work, but I was happy to do it and was proud to be in this situation.
As writers, we all have something inside us that compels us to write. What is your reason for writing? And what do you hope your stories will give your readers?
I hope my stories resonate with readers, caregivers, educators, and librarians. Writing is a creative outlet – a way for me to get my ideas out there. Some of the ideas blossom into drafts and go on submission. Other times, they don’t. But either way, it’s a way of getting my own thoughts out of my head and onto the paper.
What are some of your favorite books/authors?
I love Cori Doerrfield’s picture books. I’ve always been a fan of her SEL stories – her simple language, her emotional illustrations, and her meaningful messages. THE RABBIT LISTENED is my all-time favorite. Additionally, I’ve loved being a part of PB Soar 24 – make sure you check out all their fabulous new picture books!
What are some of your favorite movies/TV shows?
One of my writing inspirations is Carrie Bradshaw of Sex and the City. In college, I was told my writing was sometimes too “informal” due to my rhetorical questions and simple phrasing as I tried to emulate her! In my house, we are big Bluey fans. They created a show that kids find hilarious and adults connect with on another level.
Any last writing advice or words of wisdom that you’d like to share?
Writing is a journey. I am so fortunate to have one book out in the world. But I have yet to get another book deal. I’m hopeful and optimistic for a new opportunity in the future! Something I’m always reminding myself is that no two writing journeys are the same, and there is room for all the fabulous creators to tell their own stories!
“No two writing journeys are the same, and there is room for all the fabulous creators to tell their own stories!” – Leah Moser
Such beautiful words of wisdom, and very true. Thank you so much for joining us today, Leah.
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Leah Moser is a children’s book author living in Northern Virginia. With degrees in Elementary Education and Psychology, Leah has spent years as a classroom teacher. She loves sharing her passion for picture books with her husband, three daughters, dog, and readers of all ages. I Am a Thundercloud is her debut book.
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Today, I’m talking with children’s book author, illustrator, and educator Katie Gigliotti. We’ll be discussing the route of indie publishing as an author/illustrator, neurodiversity, overcoming challenges, and celebrating successes!
But before we jump into our interview, if this is your first time visiting the blog, here’s the scoop on Feature Interviews.
THE SCOOP: WHAT ARE FEATURE INTERVIEWS & WHO ARE THEY FOR?
Feature Interviews are a free resource for writers and illustrators at every stage of the publishing journey.
Every month, I collaborate with industry professionals—authors, illustrators, editors, and agents— many of whom were or currently are also educators and librarians, to discuss all things publishing.
What can these interviews offer YOU?
These interviews give readers an up-close and personal look at the world of publishing from an array of different perspectives on every side of the desk and offer insight into tips, resources, and advice on how to:
stay current with market trends
hook an agent or editor
find writing community & other resources
discover workshops, contests, and other events
figure out which path of publication is right for you
know if an agent is a good match for you
And more!
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Not that we’ve shared a little about what’s in store… it’s time to jump into our interview!
INTERVIEW QUESTIONS
WELCOME, KATIE GIGLIOTTI!
It’s so great having you with us today, Katie! I’d love to start our interview today by asking what led you here to the wondrous world of kidlit publishing? Have you always been inclined to writing and illustrating or did that come later in life?
First of all, let me take a moment to say thank you, Chelsea, for this opportunity! I feel honored to be chosen for this interview. Oddly enough, despite my grandfather’s constant encouragement as both a child and young adult and my notebooks full of stories, I never thought about actually writing and illustrating as a profession. It seemed out of reach, like something someone way more talented and creative than me would do. I actually always thought I’d write a novel before I would ever consider the world of kidlit. However, during the great slowdown of 2020, I discovered a free class on Facebook, and once I started, I was hooked!
What made you realize you wanted to go the self-publishing route, and when did that journey start?
I knew little to nothing about publishing when I first started this process in 2020. After listening to some other authors, both traditionally and self-published, I honestly thought I’d go the traditional route first. It seemed like a safer path, and I’m not one for taking risks. But after a year of developing manuscripts and illustrating a story for someone else (more on that later), I realized I could do it on my own. Once I realized I would have total control over what I was doing and I didn’t have to wait for someone to like it or buy into it, I took a gamble and introduced my first book into the world in 2022.
You mentioned in your application that you’re neurodiverse—me too! That’s part of why you ended up taking the route to publishing, which you’re currently doing, branching out with independent publishing rather than traditional publishing. If publishing has taught me anything, it’s the value of patience. As an ADHD girl myself, I know it can REALLY be a struggle to have at times. Can you share some of your personal experiences and struggles related to the long timeline of publishing and how A.D.D. affects your everyday working life?
Although I’ve never struggled to start something, I’ve ALWAYS struggled with the follow-through. When I first started writing and illustrating, my husband was wary of believing I’d stick with it. Over the years, I have been a painter of signs, baker of fancy cakes, maker of sewn stuffies, felter of cute critters, and sculptor of tiny characters; I even tried photography for a bit. I honestly didn’t even know if I’d stick with it. I got easily bored once something kept repeating itself over and over. (I’d be a terrible factory worker!) However, I find that each book is different and provides just enough intrigue to keep me going.
Before I was medicated, I was a constant scatterbrain. If I didn’t write it down or keep repeating it in my head over and over, I’d forget. I would be incredibly distracted by technology of any kind. I also suffer from time blindness. I would *think* that an illustration would only take an hour when in reality, it was taking 2-5 hours to complete.
What helped me the most, besides getting the medication I needed, was learning to be very intentional about my time. Since I have a full-time job and two kids, I knew I’d have to use pockets of time to my advantage. I’ve had to actually time myself to see just how long it takes to get a certain task done so I don’t over or under-plan. It’s been years of lists, timers, notes, reminders, and setting goals. It hasn’t been easy, but it’s been worth it!
-Wow, Katie. Yes, I totally relate to all of the above. And I love your tips on learning how to be very intentional with your time.-
On my blog, I try my best to include as diverse a group as I can, and that includes routes to publication. Many readers are striving for traditional kidlit publishing, which involves querying agents and going on sub with traditional publishing houses, but there are tons of people out there who manage to make it- and thrive- with independent publishing. And then, of course, there are hybrid authors *like me* who want to do both- traditional and indie. So, it’s wonderful being able to talk with you today because you have insider experience in the self-publishing world. And- you have that experience not only as a writer but also as an illustrator.
You said it best in your application when you said, “Self-publishing is a whole different ball game and is NOT for the faint of heart.” Having independently published my first picture book, ADHD and Me, I can wholeheartedly say I understand and agree with that statement. So, let’s talk more about that…
Tips from neurodiverse creators: “What helped me the most, besides getting the medication I needed, was learning to be very intentional about my time.“
TACKLING THE BEAST OF SELF-PUBLISHING AS AN AUTHOR/ILLUSTRATOR
Can you share with us some of what the behind-the-scenes of self-publishing looks like as an author/illustrator? And how does this route differ from traditional publishing?
To self-publish a book, you have to be extremely motivated. You are the author, illustrator, editor, formatter, marketer, buyer, and seller - among other things. Not to mention the business end, with taxes and bookkeeping. It’s also, at the beginning, a very lonely thing to do. Traditional publishers help with all of these things. They have people who will edit, typeset, format, and market. There are people working with you all the way from rough dummy to final draft. Plus, not only are they able to get your book into bookstores and libraries, but they also pay YOU in advance for the work. However, they also take the majority of your earnings, and because they are heavily investing in your work, they have creative control over the project.
Since I knew I wanted creative control as well as the ability to earn as much as I could, I decided to try self-publishing. Getting into this I knew I had a small budget, so I had to learn how to do everything by myself. I watched a million YouTube videos, read so many books, and became members of many groups to figure everything out on my own. It took about a year of research to finally feel comfortable with the idea.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve made A LOT of mistakes along the way. Ones that probably could have been avoided if I had a publishing company and all of their resources backing my book. As a trade-off, I’ve saved a ton of time. The year it took me to research and learn would probably have been spent creating manuscripts and dummies to query. Not to mention the year - or longer- it would have taken to get an agent and, from there, months to years to get a book deal. That doesn't even include the time it would take to finish the book!
I’ll be honest, there were times I wondered, and still wonder, if I made the right decision! However, now that I put in the work of learning how to do all the things, I’m pretty proud of myself. I know I’ve come a long way and since I’m no expert at everything, I can continue to grow as I lean into the very scary and daunting world of marketing!
For people who may be considering this route, what were the first steps you looked into? And where would you recommend other creators start?
DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST!
1. Learn how to write and/or illustrate a good story. Anyone can write a book, but you have to learn HOW to write a good book first. Take a class, watch YouTube videos, or talk to someone who has been there before to find out all the important information.
2. Learn how to market. Unless you’re trying to publish for yourself, publishing is a business, and you’ll quickly find out you’re a little fish in a big, big sea. I made a journal and published it to Amazon before I ever tried a book just to see if it would sell. I told no one of its existence, and after a year, I had sold 0 copies! It was a great experiment that made me realize the importance of marketing so it’s a good idea to learn a bit about marketing before you begin!
3. Make sure your book looks polished. There are certain unspoken rules in the picture book world, including word count, page number, ISBNs, LCCN’s, etc. that you’ll need to learn about to make your book look professional.
4. People DO judge a book by its cover. Make sure yours looks good!
5. Build up a presence online Whether it’s a website, social media account, YouTube, or something else, make sure someone can find you online. You would need this if you are self or traditionally publishing. It’s hard to sell things if people can’t find you or don’t know what you’re selling.
6. Make connections! The easiest way to find your market, critique groups, bookstores, libraries, etc., is to start making connections now. Also, don’t be afraid to tell people about your book. Most people want to publish a book but only a few are brave enough to go through with it. Be proud of yourself!
7. You’re going to hear a lot of different advice from different people. Some will tell you one thing works, while others will tell you the complete opposite. Unfortunately, there is no magic formula to make it work. You have to find out what’s right for you.
-I love all these tips and suggestions, Katie. Yes!!-
Publishing tips from an indie author: “Build up a presence online Whether it’s a website, social media account, YouTube, or something else, make sure someone can find you online… It’s hard to sell things if people can’t find you or don’t know what you’re selling.”
Publishing tips from an indie author: “Make connections! The easiest way to find your market, critique groups, bookstores, libraries, etc., is to start making connections now. Also, don’t be afraid to tell people about your book.“
How did you handle the editorial portion of your writing? Did you hire a professional editor? Did you use beta readers or critique partners?
I’m lucky enough to have a sister-in-law - thanks, Naomi!- who can edit for me, so I can’t really speak to hiring anyone professionally. However, before I send it off for editing, I heavily rely on critique partners to weigh in on the formatting, word choice, and story flow, as well as illustration critique groups to help with that part. I also have the advantage of being a teacher so I can always use the story as part of a lesson and see how the students react. Sometimes, that’s the best way to tell if a story flows well or can keep a kid's attention!
Can you walk us through the illustrative side of things? How did you learn how to create picture book dummies, and what were those early stages like? How did you revise your artwork?
Believe it or not, despite being an illustrator, when I first started out I didn’t think I could illustrate my own work! It took another friend of mine asking me to illustrate her own story to make me believe in myself.
I had somewhat of an advantage as an art teacher because I had already had college classes that focused on the basics. However, illustrating a picture book is vastly different from creating a standalone art piece. My biggest hurdles were character creation, keeping the characters consistent throughout the book, and color palette. There is also the idea of pacing the story, page count, and page turns, which were things I needed to and still do- work on.
I learned most of my dummy making through Storyteller Academy. The classes they offered helped me to work on my pacing, page turns, and think through the story. I am truly sad that they are disbanding! Thankfully, through SCBWI, I found a great group of illustrators in my region who have helped me by critiquing my work and finding parts that need tweaking.
Early on, I worked in traditional mediums since I had little experience with working digitally. I had to teach myself how to scan images in, how to save them properly, and how to format a book digitally. While I was growing as an illustrator, I was also learning how to create artwork digitally, which is the medium I prefer now.
-So fascinating hearing the details behind-the-scenes! Thank you for sharing.-
WORKING AS AN EDUCATOR
I know you have a degree in education and have been teaching art for quite a number of years now. How long have you been an art teacher?
I just finished up my 18th year as an elementary art teacher in May. Only 12 more years to go!
Can you tell us about how your educational background as a teacher contributes to or intersects with your publishing?
Being a teacher, especially an elementary teacher, keeps me immersed in the kidlit world. I have a front-row seat to the likes and interests of kids, as well as the needs of teachers and schools. This is incredibly helpful in deciding on the stories I want to work on. Although my first three books were very personal to me, the next stories I’m working on focus more on solving a need for kids, parents, and teachers, which helps make marketing much easier!
Do you ever have students ask you about your books and how they can create books of their own?
Yes! I don’t do a lot of promoting of my books at my own school -it’s slightly frowned upon by admin- but some of my colleagues, including our school librarian, are great at getting the word out there and even reading my books in class. (Thanks, guys!)
The reactions I get are sometimes shock, “Oh my goodness, you WROTE a BOOK?!”, awe, “If I buy your book, will you sign it for me?” and the occasional eye roll, depending on the student or age.
As for making books of their own, I don’t get a lot of requests since they are pretty young. However, this year, one student approached me, and I am currently working on helping him digitize his graphic novel so he and his family can look into self-publishing it.
-That's SO cool!-
Would you say that being a teacher has benefited your publishing journey by connecting you with your community- local bookstores, libraries, schools, and more?
Yes and no. On one side, I have gotten quite a few school visits from my connections, and also support from local libraries, which have been wonderful! My colleagues and some parents are also super supportive of my journey. I haven’t been very successful getting into local bookstores since we don’t have many in our small area.
However, since I tend to keep to myself a lot, I don’t think I reap the full advantage that my position offers me. It’s something I’m working on.
- Thanks for sharing such an honest perspective with us! From one introvert to another, I'm rooting for you!-
Speaking of bookstores, libraries, and schools… have you been able to host any local storytime/book events? If so, we’d love to hear about them!
I have done several school visits and vendor fairs, which are so much fun! The best part was being able to return to my hometown, in Pennsylvania, to participate in a local book event where I was able to meet some awesome authors and illustrators. I truly look forward to growing in my author career and setting up more of these events in the future!
I haven’t had any book signing events, but that’s mainly because I’m too afraid to ask! I’m not great at self-advocating, and I honestly don’t know where to start. However, as my list of available titles grows, I look forward to setting these up!
-It can be daunting to self-advocate and promote your work for sure. But it sounds like you have a very supportive local community members- schools and libraries - maybe they'll have some suggestions/connections to share when the time is right. :) -
VICTORIES AND STRUGGLES
On the blog, we love celebrating victories and sharing stories, resources, and encouragement. And sometimes… encouragement can come from sharing the hard stuff, too. Can you tell us a little bit about some of the challenges you’ve had to face during your publishing journey and how you’ve been able to overcome them?
*chuckling as I type this*
My biggest challenge is myself. I am not great at self-promotion, which is a skill that you need as a self-published author/illustrator. Like most introverted people, I’d much prefer to sit back and create and not worry about the marketing side of things. I’m also pretty terrible at scheduling things, so I tend to limit myself in that way. Oh, and of course that dreaded imposter syndrome. Since I don’t have a traditionally published book, I feel like people look at me as if I’m not good enough to get a traditional deal, even when it’s my choice to take this route.
As far as overcoming them, I will say that as time goes on, I push myself to try new things and put myself out there more (like this interview!). By making connections outside of my own circle, celebrating the small gains, and creating professional books, I am slowly growing my audience and squashing my self-limiting beliefs. I realize I don’t know it all and continue to learn new things as I walk this journey!
- *Me, cracking up.* Hey, identifying the problem is half the solution. So really, depending on your perspective, it's already a glass half full.-
Now let’s celebrate some wins- what have been some of your favorite kidlit moments? You can list as many as you’d like! And if you have pictures you’d like to share, that would be great, too!
My top 4 favorite kidlit moments:
1.Releasing my first book, Wander World
This was HUGE for me. I did everything – minus the editing and some critiquing – on my own.
-This is huge! I’m cheering.-
2.Participating in a book festival in my hometown.
It was so much fun to return home, make friends with the other local authors in attendance, and even meet some famous authors and illustrators!
-I bet!-
3.Getting my books into an actual store.
After my first book was released, I walked into a local store to ask if they would carry my book – and they said yes! This has carried on with my second and hopefully my newest book! You never know if you don’t ask.
4.Meeting all the wonderful authors and illustrators out there.
The kidlit community is one of the most fantastic groups of people I’ve ever met; it almost seems surreal at times. They are always ready to cheer you on, lend a helping hand, or provide comfort if you are feeling down. The best was one of our promotion videos where we all posed in a box.
-I love all of these, Katie. And the pictures are fantastic!-
TIPS AND RESOURCES
If you could give an aspiring kidlit illustrator or author a piece of advice (or pieces of advice), what would it (or they) be?
Just do it. If it’s something you’ve always dreamed of and you are passionate about it, get out there and create, write, draw, learn, and make it happen! There is no better feeling than accomplishing something you set out to do.
No matter what path you take, this is a long process! Learning how to write and illustrate a good book takes time. Doing it takes time. Formatting and getting it out there takes time. Don’t get discouraged when things aren’t done on time or something goes wrong. However, make sure you set some reasonable goals for yourself. If you don’t have a clear vision of where you’re going, you most likely won’t get there.
Also, echoing my statements above, make sure you are putting out professional-looking, well-crafted stories and that you have done some research and learned a bit about marketing before you start!
I know you mentioned that you are a member of SCBWI, Storyteller Academy, and numerous critique groups. Could you share with our readers a few of the benefits of each of these and how they can help you grow in your journey?
The kidlit community is AMAZING! I cannot even begin to explain how helpful, kind, and supportive they are.
SCBWI (The Society for Children's Book Writers and Illustrators) is the gift that keeps giving. From classes to critiques, forming groups and relationships, conferences, and growing your community, they have it all! I haven’t even taken advantage of all its many resources, and I can’t begin to explain how much they have helped me. It is where I met my critique groups, which are equally amazing. They have provided support, advice, and even opportunities to write and illustrate for local publications.
Storyteller Academy has been paramount in my journey so far. The classes they provide help with everything from character design, dummy creation, rhyming, story structure, and even the business end of things. Although I believe their approach to be highly focused on traditional publishing, I know before they decided to disband, that they were moving towards and adding more classes in self-publishing. I am so sad to see this incredible resource go.
I know there are many other resources out there that I’m not currently a part of, which can be equally beneficial.
Are there any other groups/organizations or otherwise that have greatly benefited you on your writing and illustrating journey that you’d like to share?
Although there is no formal “group” or “membership,” the self-publishing community has been paramount in my ability to grow in this! Once you make a few connections, they are incredibly supportive of other author-illustrators by giving advice, sharing wins and losses, and spreading the word about your books!
Advice for aspiring kidlit authors and/or illustrators: “Just do it. If it’s something you’ve always dreamed of and you are passionate about it, get out there and create, write, draw, learn, and make it happen! There is no better feeling than accomplishing something you set out to do.”
THE BOOKS!
We’ve finally made it to the book portion of the interview. We want to hear all about your stories! I know you’ve done author/illustrator books of your own, and you’ve also done illustrations for local authors (so cool!). Let’s start with the projects that you’ve done solely yourself- as an author/illustrator.
Can you tell us a little about your stories and where the inspiration for them came from?
The first three books I’ve published as the author/illustrator have been very personal to me.
Wander World, my first book, is not only an imaginative adventure across the seven continents but also a tribute to my grandfather. Illustrated in traditional watercolor, it tells the story of an actual game we used to play. Since his encouragement propelled me into this journey, I could think of no better way of honoring him than by dedicating my first book to him.
- What a beautiful tribute.-
Below are two of my favorite illustrations from the story. In the first one, my grandpa and I are visiting Australia and snorkeling at the Great Barrier Reef, which is something I’ve always wanted to do.
The second one is us in Venice, beside the Rialto bridge. I was supposed to travel to Italy in college, but the events of 9-11 threw a wrench in that plan, and I’ve yet to see it in person! This is one of my favorites because I’ve added some Easter eggs. The adult couple walking are my husband and I and on the opposite page –not pictured– is my son, fishing.
You are: finding God in the little things is a quiet story which takes the reader from day to night and throughout the seasons and encourages the reader to look for the little things in life and appreciate all the beauty that God has created for us. Since I like to keep to myself, and I don’t feel that pushing my faith on others is fun for anyone, I created this as my own personal ministry. It’s my way of reaching out to kids and adults who may question their faith and inspire those who have faith not to lose it.
The illustration below is certainly one of my favorites. It’s one of the summertime illustrations, which is my favorite season, and it really speaks to my love of both rainbows - or colors in general - and art! The illustrations for this book - done with painted paper cutouts and edited digitally - took me forever! Each of those stripes on her dress, the rainbow pieces, the sun rays, and bits of chalk are individually cut and glued on!
All My Love, my newest book - which only came out two days ago!- is a tribute to a mother’s love for her child.
-Whoa! Congratulations on your new book! That must be so exciting. :) –
Since my daughter just recently had a milestone birthday and graduated from high school, I wanted her to know I’d always be there for her. I wasn’t even planning on putting this out into the world, but once it was finished, I loved it so much I felt it could be appreciated by others as well. The fun part was being able to incorporate a ton of easter eggs specifically tailored to my daughter's favorite toys throughout the years.
This illustration from the story is one of my favorites because of the irony. It’s also a nod to her starting off on her own as an adult as if the meteor is the end of a season in our lives. I think any parent can relate to the way young children - or, in this case, dinosaurs - can cling to you and notice all the beautiful things in the world.
I'm currently working on a series about color, focusing on one color at a time, that will help pre-k, kindergarten, and art teachers introduce their students to colors in a fun way! I have been tinkering with these since 2020, when I was trying to teach color and noticed that a series of books like this didn’t exist.
With the dawn of AI and the threat of illustrators and writers losing their relevance, I created this for social media to remind others that human intelligence far surpasses artificial intelligence. It showcases all the different colors, each of which will have their own book.
Traditional publishing is a very long route. However, independent publishing can often move at a quicker pace. Of course, the timeline will vary from person to person. How long did it take you to get from story concept to publication?
For my first book, it took quite a long time, around a year and a half from start to finish. Mainly because I was not only writing and illustrating it, but simultaneously working a full-time job, learning how to add digital edits, format, edit, and upload to the different platforms.
Now, depending on the type of illustrations I do and how quickly I can perfect the story, it can take anywhere from 1 year to 6 months. What publishing platform(s) did you use to list your book (KDP, Lulu, IngramSpark, etc.)? And what formats do you offer—audiobook, hardcover, softcover, etc.?
I have my books available in hardcover, paperback, and eBook format. The paperback and eBook versions are available through KDP or Kindle Direct Publishing. I am enrolled in Kindle Select, so if you have a subscription, check them out! For the hardcover option, I have been using IngramSpark, which is helpful since they are a wholesale company and are able to get those books into different retail options like Barnes & Noble, Walmart, Target, Books-A-Million, and others!
I will say that the quality of print-on-demand books isn’t always the greatest. My next step is to run a Kickstarter campaign, which would allow me to purchase better-quality hardcover books in bulk.
Do you have any formatting tips for folks who are looking to publish independently?
I sure do!
First, if you know nothing about formatting and can afford it, find someone to do the typesetting and formatting for you. It’s much easier than learning by yourself.
I would also recommend finding someone to design your cover for you. Unfortunately, most people still judge a book by its cover, so having an eye-catching, well laid out cover is super important!
However, if you’re determined to do it on your own, make sure you find a great tutorial for your program of choice. The first book I did I used Canva, because it was free. Pro tip: Canva pro is free for educators! However, I wouldn’t recommend it. It turned out slightly blurry. Canva is great, however, for making any type of marketing material, including social media posts, videos, flyers, school visit order forms, etc.
For all the rest of my books, I’ve used Adobe Indesign, which is much more precise and has its own set of learning curves. Adobe is a paid program, so I would suggest asking someone who already owns the program to try it out before you sign up.
Please make sure, if you are illustrating your own, or if you are having someone else illustrate, you know the size of your book before you begin. Some platforms don’t support certain sizes, so be certain to check before you decide!
Also, you need to understand bleed and dimensions, which can be explained on each platform's website. Oh, and don’t forget to leave, or have your illustrator leave, space for the text on each page!
You also need to know your page count. 32 pages is standard for children’s picture books, but you can go up to 40 if need be. It always has to be in multiples of 4. Keep in mind that your first few pages should be set aside for copyright and title pages, but the best way to figure this out is going to your local library and checking out some picture books. Take note of where the important information goes, the size and type of font, and how many pages there are.
I could go on and on about this for hours. Honestly, if you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me!
-This is all great info, Katie! I hope it inspires/helps some of our readers today to get out there and start pursuing their dreams!-
What kind of promotional activities did you do to spread the word about your book launch? And do you have any recommendations for newbies?
As an indie author, launching strong can make or break your book. I’ve learned this the hard way! If you are publishing on Amazon, the goal is to get some attention and hopefully reviews in the first few days of publication. If you can get that, KDP will automatically show your book to people. If not, it sort of gets lost in the other millions of books out there in the world. If you are running a Kickstarter, the idea is to get pledges so you can meet your goal. If you plan on selling on your own website, building your email list is very important!
I’m still working out the kinks with book launches. Launching a book is a process, and I haven’t been very good at getting the word out early enough. So far, I’ve tried several different tactics to see how they would work, and all I can suggest is to start early!
-Yes to all of the above. Starting early, getting pledges, lining up reviewers for your launch- all of that is SO important, ESPECIALLY for indie authors.-
I’ve done a Facebook live event, which seemed to garner some attention. I also hosted a giveaway for free physical copies for people who signed up for my email list. Of course, I utilized social media to get the word out by posting at least a month or more before the actual launch. I’ve also offered free lesson plans and coloring/activity pages for people who promised to promote the launch. For my newest release, I ran a free eBook promo to garner some reviews and asked for friends and family to join my launch team in exchange for a chance to win a copy of the book.
In short, giveaways, games, parties, live events, inviting people to be a part of the story in some way, and lots and lots of promotion, months ahead of time lead to a successful launch! -Yes! Make it as fun as possible for your audience. Giveaways and games are always a hit!-
Let’s talk a little about your illustrative work locally. How did you end up doing illustrations for local authors? Were they friends of yours prior? Did you advertise commissioned artwork somewhere? Explain.
Story time:
All I can say is this was meant to be. As I was learning about the writing and publishing process, I didn’t feel confident enough to create my own illustrations. I was so upset that I would never get my story out into the world when a former colleague, now an elementary principal, contacted me one day out of the blue and asked if I’d be willing to illustrate a book for her. After much soul searching, I decided I’d give it a try, but I warned her that I’d never had any experience illustrating and I wasn’t sure how it would turn out.
She took a gamble on me, and in turn, we created our first book, The Giraffe Who Loved School. Her belief in me then inspired me to create my own work! Because she was so wonderful to work with - she basically let me have creative control over the whole project- I’ve also illustrated a second book for her, Be Nice To Your Teacher. From that, I’ve had several people ask me to illustrate some books which I am working on currently.
So, to answer your question, most of my work has been from word of mouth, friends, and family.
-Wow! I really love this.-
What has that journey been like and how does it differ from doing author/illustrator?
In some aspects, it cuts down on the time it takes me to work since the story is already planned out. My only focus is on creating characters, deciding on a color palette, and making it come to life. Not that it’s easier -illustrating takes time!- but I don’t have to work through the writing.
If you’re working with the right person, it’s a pleasant experience. You can communicate with them and they aren’t hovering over you, constantly unsatisfied with your illustrations and trying to get you to make changes. So far, I haven’t had any unpleasant experiences but I’ve heard some horror stories from other illustrators. This makes me wary to do any books with individuals who are very picky.
The one downside is not having full creative control over the entire book. Even if you, as the illustrator, want to make changes to the text layout or reword something, it’s technically NOT your book to change! I guess what I’m saying is that you can’t overstep your boundaries.
Do you have any recommendations for artists who may be looking to start doing commissioned illustrations?
Beware who you work with, and make sure you have a contract! Although my experience was wonderful, I’ve heard so many horror stories of both authors and illustrators getting cheated in some way, shape, or form. Know your worth. If you are just starting out, you might not be charging as much since you are still learning and growing. However, don’t undersell your work. If you look at how long it takes you to create a 32-page book, make sure you are getting a fair wage for all the work you are putting into it. Check with other illustrators to see their rates.
Make sure you have a portfolio of work that someone can access. On a website or social media, it’s important that people know what they are getting when they start working with you.
Know what you enjoy illustrating! Don’t promise to do a style or medium you can’t do; everyone will just end up frustrated. Also, don’t work on a story that doesn't resonate with you. Make sure you feel comfortable with the author's story and vision.
-Really great advice.-
Any final words of wisdom you’d like to leave our readers with today?
One last thing. I know how hard I can be on myself as an artist or writer, constantly trying to live up to this invisible perfection. Imposter syndrome is REAL, people!
What I’ve had to realize is that the majority of people aren’t judging your work as hard as you are. Not saying you won’t have any critics, but most people are simply impressed that you are able to do the thing!
If you have any questions about self-publishing or just want another author/illustrator to chat with, feel free to reach out at any of the places listed below!
Thank you so much for joining us today, Katie.
Thank you for having me, Chelsea! Again, I really appreciate this opportunity!
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PICTURE BOOKS ARE MY JAM: A child at heart, I wish my stories and pictures inspire young minds to:dream, hope, wish, love, and wonder. Because picture books are for everyone.
I truly hope that in their lifetime, everyone experiences: the beauty of this world, the kindness of strangers, the thrill of following their dreams, and God’s all powerful and unfailing love.
You can find me gazing at a beautiful sunrise, enjoying the quiet of snow falling, soaking in sweet summer sun rays, at an amusement park, eating ice cream and junk food in general, taking pictures of weird stuff, laughing until my face hurts, or lost in my imagination.
I live in a small Virginia town spending most of my time with my husband and two teenage children, who are too embarrassed to be mentioned here.
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Today, I’m talking with children’s book author, literary blogger, and educator Andrew Hacket.
But before we jump into our interview, if this is your first time visiting the blog, here’s the scoop on Feature Interviews.
THE SCOOP: WHAT ARE FEATURE INTERVIEWS & WHO ARE THEY FOR?
Feature Interviews are a free resource for writers and illustrators at every stage of the publishing journey.
Every month, I collaborate with industry professionals—authors, illustrators, editors, and agents— many of whom were or currently are also educators and librarians, to discuss all things publishing.
What can these interviews offer YOU?
These interviews give readers an up-close and personal look at the world of publishing from an array of different perspectives on every side of the desk and offer insight into tips, resources, and advice on how to:
stay current with market trends
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discover workshops, contests, and other events
figure out which path of publication is right for you
know if your agent is a good match
And more!
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Not that we’ve shared a little about what’s in store… it’s time to jump into our interview!
BEGINNINGS, INSPIRATION, AND EDUCATION
How did you end up in the amazing world of kidlit publishing? My path to kidlit stemmed from a childhood creativity that lingered into adulthood. I had always liked the idea of writing, and dabbled here and there, but never had the time or energy to fully explore how to make this dream a reality.
Fast Forward to 2020 and the world was closing down. My 3 young children were going to be home learning from a computer screen, and someone had to be with them. As a result, I left my job as a teacher for the year and stayed home to support my children and their learning. What I quickly discovered was that while I was fulfilling an incredibly important role and need in my children’s lives, I was extremely, mentally, unstimulated. I was used to the fast-paced, mind constantly whirring life of a teacher, and this sudden stillness and calm in my brain was unsettling and not for me. So, with this new mental capacity, I dove headfirst into the publishing waters, listening to every webinar and podcast I could find, embracing the Twitter kidlit community, joining in with contests, and building my network of writing friends.
Outside of your work as a writer, I know you’re also a literary blogger and elementary school educator of 18+ years. Which is incredible! Can you share more about that, and how those things connect to your writing career?
Working with children is all I have ever done. I began in afterschool programs and summer camps, before doing daycare and moving into my career as a teacher. Having spent so much time with kids (and conveniently my target audience) over the years has helped me maintain a childlike outlook on the world and be in tune with how kids think and what they like. Teaching has also given me a depth of knowledge when it comes to picture books. Reading picture books is embedded in my job and has helped me learn about structure and pacing.My blog is a constant source of inspiration as well. Hearing others’ stories of publication and creativity feed my own creative spirit and motivate me to continue writing. And in addition to all of that wonderfulness, interviewing authors keeps me connected to my community and can often open my eyes to new publishers or editors I had not previously known about. Let’s talk a little bit about writing inspiration. I want to touch on a few lines from your bio because I loved them (and related to them) so much!
Andrew recognizes that being a kid is hard and he writes to create ways for children to see themselves in stories and characters, to accept and overcome their insecurities, or to escape for just a little while through the power of their imaginations.
-I just love this!
So, it’s obvious you care a lot about children and their world, emotionally and mentally. Which, being a teacher and children’s book writer, only makes sense. Can you share a little more about where this connection to kids really started? What motivated you to want to dedicate your life toward bettering the lives of young readers, and students?
I like to tell students that I am a kid at heart. I have a healthy dose of Peter Pan syndrome and always have. Some kids are excited to grow up and do all of the things they think make being an adult awesome. I never was and I think that is a large reason I work with kids. Their energy keeps me young and connected to my inner child. I have worked with children since I was 16. I began at an afterschool program which then led into summer camps and daycares. What I discovered early on was that not only did I enjoy being with kids, but I was really adept at connecting with their emotions and understanding their wants, needs, and motivations behind their actions. This set me on the path to being a teacher and I have not regretted that choice ever.
“I have a healthy dose of Peter Pan syndrome and always have. Some kids are excited to grow up and do all of the things they think make being an adult awesome. I never was and I think that is a large reason I work with kids.”
As an educator, I imagine you want to engage your readers on an emotional level and impart some educational messages as well. Can you tell us a little bit about what lessons you hope little readers (and bigger readers) can gain from your books?
My three books vary widely in topic, tone, and structure, but each one has a strong SEL connection that I think comes from my years as an educator and also my own struggles growing up. Every child wants to feel a sense of belonging, and I think at some point, every person struggles with this despite how an outside perspective might perceive it. I hope my books help young readers feel seen and can push them on the path of accepting themselves and others for who they are at that moment.
Speaking of books… I know you write across genres in kidlit: picture books, early readers, poems, and middle grade. I love talking with people who have a range of writing experience because each genre carries its own set of rules. I’m curious to know, for our readers and myself, how you balance these rules and keep your genres separated while writing? And have there been times when you’ve started, say, a picture book, that eventually “told you” it wasn’t meant to be a picture book and instead turned into something else- like an early reader or a middle-grade novel?
This is such a wonderful question. Overall, I don’t often focus too hard on “the rules”. That being said, I do think a fair amount of those rules become ingrained in our minds from when we were younger readers and perhaps the writing was a bit more formulaic.
For the majority of my writing, I approach it with the intent of creating picture books. I do try to be mindful of a smaller word count and most of all make sure I am leaving room for the art. Being on the other side of publication now, I can attest to the incredible ability illustrators have to bring our words to life while enhancing our stories in ways we could have never imagined. Leaving room for the illustrator is not only polite to the illustrator but a future gift to yourself when you get to open the pages of the book and see their creativity.
I have never made a choice to switch a genre of a WIP while working on it, but I have had the suggestion made to me by critique partners, my agent, and editors. I have a few manuscripts written with an older voice and the suggestion of MG has been tossed my way, but at this moment, I am just not ready to tackle that many words.
Another time a suggestion was made was for Curlilocks and the Three Hares. This was subbed as a picture book manuscript and the marvelous, Michele McAvoy at The Little Press had a vision for it as an early reader in their Modern Fairy-Tale Series. After chatting with Michele and hearing more about the series I decided to give it a go and luckily, it did the trick and Curlilocks and the Three Hares with illustrations by Svetla Radivoeva is now out in the world for kids and families to enjoy!
THE WORLD OF PUBLISHING PRE-PUBLISHED – AGENTS, QUERYING, SUBMISSIONS, RESOURCES
Tell us about your pre-publication journey! Starting back at query trenches/early submissions. When did you begin your professional journey?
I began approaching my writing seriously in 2020. COVID had just hit, and I found myself on leave from work, parenting three young kids who were doing remote schooling. While this was a crazy time and incredibly busy in its own right, I discovered that not being in the classroom gave me the mental capacity I had been lacking to research the writing industry and start to put the legwork into learning the craft and business of publishing.
I began with Twitter kidlit contests which is where I met so many wonderful critique partners and learned so much about myself as a writer and what I wanted to say. It was through these contests that I discovered my voice.
My time in the query trenches was short. I queried one story, which sadly has yet to make it to the published page, to about 15 agents with no bites. Then, my current agent, Dan Cramer, posted a query critique giveaway opportunity that I happened to win. I sent Dan my query and was delighted when along with his feedback, he also offered to read the manuscript. I sent that story off as quickly as I could and was amazed to hear back from Dan with an offer of representation.
While I know my experience was brief and not typical, I always encourage authors to take any and every opportunity for which they have the bandwidth. You can’t count on an experience like this happening, but if you don’t put yourself out there, you are ensuring it doesn’t happen.
-Yes. So true!
“I always encourage authors to take any and every opportunity for which they have the bandwidth… if you don’t put yourself out there, you are ensuring it doesn’t happen.”
Are you currently agented and were you currently agented for your first book deal?
Yes, I am currently agented. Dan Cramer of Page Turner Literary is still my agent, and we have been partnered together for all three of my book sales.
What was your agent experience like for that first book deal? And which book was it?
The first book deal with Dan was wonderful. We sold Ollie, the Acorn, and the Mighty Idea to Page Street Kids. At that time I was such a newbie, and Dan made me feel at ease asking ALL of the questions. He took time to answer them and walked me through the process in a way that helped me understand this new and foreign side of publishing that I knew absolutely nothing about.
Dan has been my one and only agent. As my agent he researches publishing houses and editors in search of the perfect match for my manuscripts. He handles all negotiations related to our book deals and deals with the communication with the editor at the beginning of the process.
Were there any resources (writing organizations, contests, communities, etc) that were especially helpful in getting you to where you are today, that you’d like to share with aspiring traditional, hybrid, or independent kidlit authors or illustrators reading today?
Fall Writing Frenzy, Vivian Kirkfield’s 50 Precious Words, and Halloweensie are the contests that introduced me to the kidlit community and it is through them that I found a sense of belonging in this industry.
I did join SCBWI early on as well and while I was not the best at accessing all they had to offer, I was able to connect with 2 of my first critique groups as a result.
Also helpful to me along the way were fast drafting events such as First Draft Friday with Hollie Wolverton and Mindy Alyse Weiss’ PBParty Critique Train. Both of these events help motivate me to get new words on the page which can be hard to do with a fulltime job and family.
-Fantastic resources, Andrew. Thanks for sharing!
THE WORLD OF PUBLISHING-POST PUBLISHED- BOOK DEALS, AUTHOR EVENTS, PROMOTION, CONNECTIONS
From the time you started pursuing publication, about how long was your journey to your first published work- and how did that feel?
It was a four year process from my first draft of my first book until its publication. And while four years is no short time, I completely recognize the years and years that many creators invest before finding the success they are looking for and I feel incredibly fortunate for where I am today.
We're so glad you are where you are today too, Andrew!
For some of our ones just starting to enter this arena, and could use some tips on where to start... could you share some details about your author visits? What activities do you provide- if any other than a basic read-aloud? What kind of visits to you offer- virtual, in person, or both? About how long is your average visit? What venues do you visit- bookstores/schools/libraries? And who schedules the visits- do you contact places directly, do they contact you directly, or is this something handled by your publisher/agent?
With three books releasing this past spring I made a concerted effort starting back in the summer and fall of 2023 to begin lining up author visits.
-Smart planning and foresight!
For the most part these have all been organized by me through contacting bookstores, libraries, and schools. There are some publishing houses who will support and assist in booking events, I just happened to choose to take the responsibility on myself.
Bookstore and library visits often last 45 minutes to an hour and include an introduction to the book, reading, a craft/related activity, and then conclude with a signing. My best advice here is to have existing relationships with these places. Long before you have a book out be a patron of your local libraries and indie bookstores. Support events that they have and learn what they have to offer as a result of attending. It is always easier for someone to book you for an event when they have seen you be supportive of others.
My offerings for school visits are a bit different. I book anything from single workshops to half days to whole days, and these can all be virtual or in person.
On my website I have a menu of workshop offerings that a school can choose from. These range from a traditional journey to publication to hands-on workshops on a variety of topics including brainstorming, fairytale writing, poetry, and character design.
-I love the range in variety.What a great way to accommodate different needs and interests.
I prefer to work with groups of one to two classes where we can be interactive and create together rather than them just listening to me.
Being a debut author this year, I found more success in booking author visits when I approached schools with whom I already had a relationship. I also applied and received multiple Cultural Council grants which helped fund a number of local visits.
-What a great idea!
Okay, so what’s your favorite part of the visit and why?
My favorite part of school visits is seeing students become inspired! It is the most amazing feeling to know that your presence and your words have sparked creativity and enthusiasm in them. As authors we know that jolt of excitement we get with a shiny new idea and it's such a privilege to be able to create that for kids.
The other part I love about school visits is being able to reach such a large number of kids in such a short amount of time. I'm used to having an impact on my class of 24 second-graders. This spring alone I've met 100s of kids in K-5 from all sorts of diverse backgrounds.
-Love this!
“My favorite part of school visits is seeing students become inspired! …As authors we know that jolt of excitement we get with a shiny new idea and it’s such a privilege to be able to create that for kids.”
Let’s talk a little about promotion. For newly debuting authors who may not yet have an author and/or illustrator platform built for themselves… where do you recommend starting? Do you have any tips on making connections in the kidlit community as well as your local community?
My biggest advice here is if you go into this industry with altruistic intentions you will receive way more than you bargained for in return. Make connections with creators, support their work, and offer to help each other, but do it all for the sake of connecting on a genuine level with another creator with no expectations of anything in return.
I recommend starting locally. Make a habit of attending author events at your local bookstore and library. Introduce yourself to the workers and guests (I know it feels scary!). Be open that you are an author. You will begin building relationships with these people and before you know it they will be calling you by name. Then when it is your time for books to come out, they will be excited to celebrate with you and support you in any way they can.
-This is such great advice. Yes!
For authors or illustrators who may be early on in their publishing journey… what words of encouragement would you like to share?
If you haven’t heard already, this industry moves at a glacial pace and there is no way to do it (that I have found) without a healthy heaping of rejection. Enter this path knowing these two facts and make choices that make the journey enjoyable. This includes finding your people who uplift and support you as well as learning how you best tackle the highs and lows associated with this career.
“…if you go into this industry with altruistic intentions you will receive way more than you bargained for in return. Make connections with creators, support their work, and offer to help each other, but do it all for the sake of connecting on a genuine level with another creator with no expectations of anything in return.”
“Make a habit of attending author events at your local bookstore and library. Introduce yourself to the workers and guests… Be open that you are an author. You will begin building relationships with these people… Then when it is your time for books to come out, they will be excited to celebrate with you and support you in any way they can.”
BOOKS + RESOURCES + FINAL WORDS OF WISDOM
Okay, we’ve arrived at arguably my favorite part of the interview… and that’s the part where we talk books! I’d love to hear about your stories. What was the inspiration for them? What are your favorite spreads/illustrations and what do you love most about them? And maybe hear a brief description of what each book is about.
Gush over my book babies? I’d love to! I am so fortunate to have had three books release this year and I love each one and am grateful for the editors, illustrators and countless others behind the scenes that helped bring them to life.
My first book, OLLIE, THE ACORN, AND THE MIGHTY IDEA (Pagestreet Kids) with illustrations by Kaz Windness follows amateur gardener, Ollie Alexander Kandersteen, a boy with a name bigger than he is, as he goes on an absurd and fantastical journey to be as big as a tree in order to stand up to his bully, Everett Lucas Montgomery. Ollie was inspired by my own feelings of smallness as a child, coupled with a summertime discussion with my children about the consequences of swallowing a watermelon seed. I love Ollie because it is a read-aloud through and through. There are refrains for kids to join in with, onomatopoeia, and unexpected antics that cause readers’ mouths to hit the floor.
Ollie has had a quiet reception in the kidlit world, but I am hoping to spread the word to teachers, parents, and librarians to get this humorous book, with a healthy heaping of SEL and messages of acceptance, into as many hands as possible.
My second book, CURLILOCKS AND THE THREE HARES (The Little Press) with illustrations by Jan Dolby follows are title character as she ventures into the Three Hares hair salon in order to take her hair into her own hands and find her just right do’ before picture day. As you can imagine, messes and mistakes ensue before our 3 hares return to find their intruder and her unruly hair. Curlilocks was inspired by my daughter and her dislike for her curls when she was younger. This story is an early, illustrated, chapter book just right for beginning readers to grow their skills and independence.
Last up is HOPE AND THE SEA (WorthyKids) with illustrations by Svetla Radivoeva. This story follows a young girl, Hope, who is having big feelings of loneliness at the beach. It doesn’t take long for Sea to notice and extend a wave and a welcoming embrace to help Hope on her way to finding friendship and belonging. This story is sweet and lyrical with sentence structure and rhythm to match the changing tide. I grew up by the ocean, and my love for the sea poured into this manuscript.
Any new books and/or book deals on the horizon?
Yes! On July 9, the spooky middle-grade anthology, THE HAUNTED STATES OF AMERICA will be released from Godwin Books. This is a collection of 52 haunted short stories with one from each state, D.C., and Puerto Rico. In collaboration with SCBWI, Godwin Books put out a call for stories. I am honored to have my story, The Tunnel, included in the anthology representing Massachusetts.
In addition, I do have some secret news about a future publication. However, it is much too soon to discuss any details, so readers will need to stay tuned.
-Did you hear that readers? If you don’t wanna miss out… you should probably *ahem* subscribe to Andrew’s newsletter HERE… (find email subscription box at the bottom of the page at the link listed).
Okay, so I’ll start by saying that I love, love, love your website. I could get lost all day in the fun educational things you have going on over there. For our readers who may not know (yet) about all the resources you have… could you enlighten us to what you offer on the Educator Resources tab?
*Snippet of Andrew's offerings below...*
Thank you for the kind words about my website. I created it a few years ago using Wix, and then I hired the incredible Molly Ippy, to spruce up the design to make it more professional and cohesive, which she nailed. I cannot recommend her services enough, so if you are in need of a website facelift or educational resources don’t hesitate in reaching out to Molly. Check out her offerings HERE.
Many of the resources on my website come from my years of teaching and designing curriculum. Much of it is science and engineering based and gives educators a starting place to get their students creating and engaging with science in a hands-on manner.
I do have resources for some of my published books and those will be found under the books tab on my website.
-Download Andrew's FREE educational guide and coloring page for Curlilocks and the Three Hares and/or activity page for Ollie, the Acorn, and the Mighty Idea on Teacher Corner TODAY!-
Speaking of resources… you don’t just have resources for parents, kids, and educators… you also offer resources for writers, in way of your literary blog, where, just like I’m doing today- you host fellow authors on your blog and talk about the “behind the scenes.” When did you start doing this? And what do you hope readers will gain?
I began The Backstory in 2021. It felt like authors who were gaining traction in the industry had a writing-related side gig going on. I don’t think this is necessarily true, but at that time that was my perspective. When I sat down to brainstorm what I could offer the writing community I landed on my love of learning the inspiration behind things.
-I can definitely relate to that love!
At first my intention was to provide fledgling authors a place to learn about the process and the opportunity to win critiques and AMA calls from published authors. What I didn’t realize at the time was the service I was providing for those published authors of being part of their marketing and promotion.
-Right?! It's so exciting to be a part of that!
Running the blog has provided me a tremendous amount of inspiration and has helped me build my relationships and connections with other authors.
I hope readers can glean little tidbits of knowledge that either encourage, educate, and inspire them along their path to publication.
- I completely echo this. It's so inspiring to talk with other creatives. The interchange of encouragement by way of shared experiences is indescribably valuable.And the connections made are so rewarding.
Any final words of wisdom that you’d like to share with our readers today?
I know this is not new advice, but it is a tidbit I come back to often. When you sit down to write, write for yourself. Don’t stress over rules. Don’t stress over the market. Don’t stress trying to write the manuscript you think your dream agent is looking for. Doing any or all of these things will lead you astray from who YOU are as a writer. Don’t lose yourself for someone else’s vision. Write authentically who you are in your voice. When your book gets made you will be so grateful that you represented your true self!
Such beautiful advice to end on. Thank you so much for joining us today, Andrew.
“When you sit down to write, write for yourself. Don’t stress over rules. Don’t stress over the market… Don’t lose yourself for someone else’s vision. Write authentically who you are in your voice. When your book gets made you will be so grateful that you represented your true self!”
And now… It’s time for the GIVEAWAY!
For the month of July, Andrew Hacket is offering the following giveaway prizes to three winners- 1 prize awarded to each winner.
Fiction, picture book (non rhyming) manuscript critique
30-minute Zoom AMA
Signed copy of one of my books (winner’s choice)
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Andrew Hacket is the author of Ollie, the Acorn, and the Mighty Idea (Page Street Kids, 4/9/24),Curlilocks and the Three Hares (The Little Press, 5/1/24), and Hope and the Sea (Worthy Kids, 5/28/24). Andrew recognizes that being a kid is hard, and he writes to create ways for children to see themselves in stories and characters, to accept and overcome their insecurities, or to escape for just a little while through the power of their imaginations. He and his family live in Massachusetts.
Today, I’m talking with children’s book author Susan Lubner. We’ll discuss writing across genres, the creative process, and how to find a critique group.
But before we jump into our interview, if this is your first time visiting the blog, here’s the scoop on Feature Interviews.
THE SCOOP: WHAT ARE FEATURE INTERVIEWS & WHO ARE THEY FOR?
Feature Interviews are a free resource for writers and illustrators at every stage of the publishing journey.
Every month, I collaborate with industry professionals—authors, illustrators, editors, and agents— many of whom were or currently are also educators and librarians, to discuss all things publishing.
What can these interviews offer YOU?
These interviews give readers an up-close and personal look at the world of publishing from an array of different perspectives on every side of the desk and offer insight into tips, resources, and advice on how to:
stay current with market trends
hook an agent or editor
find writing community & other resources
discover workshops, contests, and other events
figure out which path of publication is right for you
know if your agent is a good match
And more!
AND… if that’s not enough, every guest offers at least one giveaway prize—sometimes more. This means you have multiple opportunities to win prizes every month! *If you’re interested in entering the giveaway, scroll to the bottom of the interview for instructions.*
Not that we’ve shared a little about what’s in store… it’s time to jump into our interview!
THE VERY BEGINNING: PAVING A PATH TO PUBLISHING JOURNEY
Welcome to the blog, Susan! It’s so nice to have you with us today. The first thing I like to ask my guests is: how they ended up in kidlit publishing.
Let’s take that question into three parts: when, why, and how. When did your journey to publishing begin?
Hi Chelsea! Thank you so much for inviting me here today 😊
I think the path to publication really started when I was a young girl…long before I was ever aware of it! I enjoyed reading so much and writing short poems, too. My love of words and story were the seeds planted early on that would eventually lead to my career in writing for children. But the turning point was when I was in college. I took my first creative writing class and I was encouraged by my professor to submit some of my work. I did, and two fiction stories were published in a collegiate magazine. I think that gave me a boost of confidence. But it also made me realize how much I enjoyed the process of writing. And that it was something I wanted to continue and hone.
Let’s touch on the why. What was the inspiration that led you here? Is writing something you’ve always wanted to pursue, or were there other variables that brought you down this path? Explain.
What led me finally to a career in writing children’s books, happened pretty organically. But in a nutshell, it really stemmed from a renewed love and awe of children’s picture books. After college I continued writing short fiction and taking an occasional class or workshop. Writing for children wasn’t something I had considered or even thought about pursuing until after I had my first child. My daughter and I were reading a lot of picture books. I was reminded how much I enjoyed those books! And at that point I had a new perspective, not just because I was now reading from the point of view as an adult, but also as someone who enjoyed writing. I became very aware and curious about the craft. The pairing of text with illustrations. The cadence of sentences, and the idea of writing a complete story using so few words. Then one day in 1995, my daughter was two and we were in a bookstore. I saw a poster advertising a writing for children workshop. I signed up, and I’ve been writing children’s stories ever since.
That question leads nicely into our third which involves the how. How did you end up here in the kidlit arena?
That children’s writing workshop was the portal! It was taught by author Jacqueline Dembar Greene who became my mentor. All of us in that workshop were unpublished and newbies to the world of children’s publishing. And boy did we have a lot to learn. Several of the other members of the workshop and I formed a critique group. Three of us, (plus one other author who joined later on) are still critique partners …since the mid 90’s! Also at that workshop, I met Beth Raisner Glass. Beth had a manuscript she had been working on. At the time, I was very focused on writing stories that rhymed. She asked if I wanted to help her with her story which she was working to set in rhyme. Together we revised a new version of Noises at Night which eventually was published by Abrams Books for Young Readers.
What type of publishing did you pursue? (Traditional/hybrid/independent?) And why?
In the beginning I knew so little about how to get published that I wasn’t even aware that one could self-publish! I was told to get a copy of the Children’s Writer’s & Illustrator’s Market which I did. It was also suggested to me that I try getting my stories published in children’s magazine’s too, like Highlights and Cricket. So my focus was always on the traditional route.
For our readers who may be new to publishing and don’t know the differences between these routes, could you briefly touch on what makes them different, as well as the pros and cons of each?
I don’t have any experience with hybrid or independent publishing and have not stayed current so I don’t have a lot of specific advice to offer to anyone who is taking that route nor can I speak confidently on that process. But generally, I can say that regardless of which route to publication is taken, there are so many wonderful resources that every writer can tap into to help them on their journey to publication.
Joining a writer’s critique group is invaluable! It helps enormously to have the feedback needed to get your stories really polished and ready for submission.
SCBWI offers opportunities to network, access to workshops, and the conferences are a great way to find the resources and support needed to help on the path to publication.
One of the things I have valued most from being traditionally published is the support from the amazing marketing departments at each publishing house. Marketing and selling your book is hard so, even though I have always done as much marketing and publicity on my own with each book launch, to have that support from a marketing and sales department from a publishing house too, is a valuable boost.
One of the things about traditional publishing that could fall in the con column is that it’s very difficult to get published with one. I have many manuscripts that have been rejected over the course of my career. It happens a lot! And I suppose that example of one of the downsides to traditional publishing highlights one of the awesome pros of self-publishing…that a writer has control of what gets published!
“Regardless of which route to publication is taken, there are so many wonderful resources that every writer can tap into to help them on their journey to publication.”
“Joining a writer’s critique group is invaluable! It helps enormously to have the feedback needed to get your stories really polished and ready for submission.”
“SCBWI offers opportunities to network, access to workshops, and the conferences are a great way to find the resources and support needed to help on the path to publication.”
Can you tell us a little bit about your querying/submission journey?
Things have changed so much since I started submitting my work. Back in the “olden days”, (ha!), when I was first starting out, snail mail was how the submission process worked. Prior to sending anything out, I was very careful to read as much as I could about how to submit a story. I learned how to format my manuscript and how to format a submission letter, too. Using the Children’s Writer’s & Illustrator’s Market I made lists of which publishers were accepting unsolicited manuscripts (I did not have an agent at that time) and also which publishers were accepting simultaneous submissions, and which were not.
I have a very thick folder full of the many rejections I have received over the years. The first story I ever submitted was called The Ladybug. It was rejected many times until one day in 1998 I received an acceptance letter. My very first! I only got halfway through the letter when I cried and jumped up and down and did all the things I thought I would do if I ever got a story accepted! Then I read the rest of the letter. And again I cried. Because the letter went on to explain that even though they had accepted my story for publication (they wanted me to know that!), they had also made the unfortunate decision to move away from publishing children’s books!
- Oh, what an emotional roller coaster that must have been!-
It would be five years later that I would finally sell my very first story to Spider Magazine. Ironically, that first magazine story I sold took a long time to be published. It ended up coming out after the first book I sold (Noises at Night co-authored with Beth Raisner Glass ABRAMS 2005).
I got the awesome news that I sold my first picture book on April Fool's Day in 2004 so I had to wait a whole day to tell everyone so they would believe me!
- How funny! And exciting.-
That submission process was really unique. Noises at Night had come very close to being acquired at a very big house. Unfortunately, in the end, there wasn’t a total consensus and it was rejected. However, one of the editors was moving to Abrams and asked our permission to take the manuscript there. She loved the story, and we were fortunate that it found a home. Timing can sometimes play a very important role in whether something gets acquired or not.
Two more picture books followed but the submission process was much easier for me as my editor at Abrams asked to see other manuscripts, and so just a few emails were exchanged before I had an offer on my second picture book. My third picture book was a work-for-hire. Again, my editor at Abrams asked if I would be interested in working on the project and I said yes.
By the time my third picture book was out, I was about ready to start submitting my first middle-grade novel, The Upside of Ordinary. After making a lot of rounds and many rejections later, my critique partner suggested I submit it to a former student of hers who worked at Holiday House as an assistant editor. Fortunately, she really loved it as did the publisher!
-How wonderful!-
I’ve had a pretty eclectic experience when it comes to submissions! One thing has always been consistent though, and that is the road to publication is filled with twists and turns and lots of bumps!
Are you currently agented, and if so, how did you find your agent match? (Was it through cold query/submission, was it during a contest, etc.?)
I do work with an agent who I adore. At one of my writer’s group meetings, I shared a funny picture book that they really enjoyed. One of the members of my group had recently seen a post on a particular agent’s blog who was asking to see humorous picture books. I submitted the manuscript to her. It never did sell but we are still working together almost 11 years and three books later.
If comfortable sharing what agent/agency did you sign with?
Linda Epstein who at the time was with an agency in New York but moved to the Emerald City Literary Agency and I went with her.
For writers and illustrators who are actively querying for their agent match, could you tell us about your agent call and what to expect?
My agency query in this particular instance, was very specific in the approach. The post Linda had made on her blog, requesting to see humorous picture books had instructions on how to send a manuscript. I followed those instructions and attached the manuscript right in that first email as directed. She responded pretty quickly and asked to see other manuscripts which I sent back to her right away.
What types of questions do you find more useful to ask during this call?
One of the first questions I asked Linda when we discussed working together is if she offered editorial feedback. For me, it was very important to have an agent that also could (and would be willing) to provide feedback and suggestions for edits. I think all writers benefit from a second (or third or fourth!) pair of eyes! Especially before something is to head out on submission.
-Such a great thing to look for in an agent. And wonderful that you knew beforehand what you were specifically looking for.-
Which leads to a second question I think is important: Does the agent submit only exclusively or will he or she submit to multiple publishers all at once. I have heard of agents that will only send out a manuscript to one single publisher at a time even if that publisher will accept simultaneous submissions. That is a process that would not appeal to me, as it often takes so long to hear back from editors.
-Another great thing to know before signing with an agent.-
Asking questions up front before you commit to an agent is important. It’s very exciting to receive an offer from an agent but you want to make sure that the writer and agent are compatible and share similar expectations so that hopefully the relationship is a good fit. Talk to agented writer friends, too. See what their experience has been like and figure out what is important to you regarding a relationship with an agent before you make that choice.
-Love this advice, Susan. So great!-
How did you know which agent/agency was the right match for you?
I could tell from our email exchanges that Linda is accessible and responsive (she ALWAYS answers her emails quickly), straightforward, and very honest, the latter meaning if she doesn’t know the answer to something she says so, and will try to find out. Linda is funny, kind and approachable. All great qualities. And all of these things came across in the early days of email exchanges.
I also had a history with two other agents prior to signing with Linda. Those agents were also very kind and both of those relationships ended amicably. But everyone has different expectations and ways of doing things, and it’s not about whether someone is good or bad but more about whether a particular agent is the right fit for you.
-Yes, exactly! I think you put that perfectly. It's about finding the "right fit." Just like any relationship, it's about knowing what you want, what your expectations are of each other, then communicating it clearly- which it sounds like you did by the questions you asked- and overall, those factors will show you whether you're compatible or not.-
For people considering traditional publication as their route to publishing, could you briefly describe an agent’s role/relationship with an author and/or illustrator and some of the benefits of having one?
Everything I write, Linda sees and provides feedback before the submission process, so my manuscript is very polished and is in the best shape possible (or at least until an editor asks for revisions!) Linda then puts together and shares with me a list of publishers she will be submitting to. The great thing about working with Linda is that she knows which editors are looking for what and so the submission process becomes very targeted. Having someone do all this legwork for you really frees up so much more time for me to focus on my writing which is a great benefit.
-Linda sounds like a dream agent! And you sound like a dream client, because you're a clear communicator. That's so helpful!-
Another benefit is that there are many traditional publishers that will only look at work from agented authors so having an agent helps to get your manuscript in front of more editors. That of course is a plus because the more people who get a chance to consider your manuscript, the better your chances are (hopefully!) of getting an offer.
A third great benefit is that I do not have to deal with the business side of publishing. Linda handles all of the negotiations and contract issues, and I am so grateful for that!
HIGHS, LOWS, AND WORDS OF WISDOM
We on the blog LOVE hearing all the wonderful, exciting bits of publishing. But sometimes, hearing the realities of the lows can be helpful too.
What have been some challenges you’ve faced on the road to publishing? And how were you able to overcome these challenges?
I’m dealing with a challenge I’ve never experienced before, right now. I have worked with the most wonderful editor on my new early reader chapter book series Drag and Rex, beautifully illustrated by Blythe Russo. The first book, Drag and Rex Forever Friends, launched in November of 2023 and went into a second printing a few months ago so it’s done quite well. The second book in the series Drag and Rex Sweet and Silly launches in November of 2024.
Here’s the challenge: the imprint that published Drag and Rex is changing its focus completely and going forward they will not be publishing anymore of their list. That means that I will not be working with my editor and my books will be under a different imprint. This creates a lot of unknowns!
Will the new editor love the series as much as the other editor? Is the threshold for sales higher at this imprint? Will they want more books in the series?
My agent has been communicating with the editor at the other imprint (who I have actually worked with before and is lovely!) but no matter what, right now there are still a lot of unknowns. It’s a wait-and-see.
I am hoping the second book does very well and the series will continue! That’s the best way for me to deal with this unexpected challenge…to hope for the best and to do everything I can to help the book sell very well so the new imprint wants to continue the series.
Any words of wisdom for illustrators or authors who may be facing similar challenges?
Writers don’t have a lot of control when it comes to publishing decisions and unexpected challenges. But we can control our work. I think a great way to handle these stressful unpredictable curveballs is to get back to what we do best…writing! And of course, always hope for the best.
“I think a great way to handle these stressful unpredictable curveballs is to get back to what we do best…writing! And of course, always hope for the best.“
BEHIND THE WRITER’S DESK: WRITING ACROSS GENRES & CREATIVE PROCESS
Let’s talk a bit about the magic that happens behind the writer’s desk. I know you write across genres. Tell us about that. What does writing across genres entail?
I really enjoy writing different types of stories. Each type of story involves a writing process that is different…not in just topic, or target but technique, too. Writing picture books I am always mindful that my story will be illustrated and so the marriage of art and words must be considered; as do page turn and word count. Writing middle-grade novels involves multiple storylines that are more complicated and layered. That is true of MG characters too. My characters in my middle-grade books of course have more mature and complicated problems than my picture book characters. The early reader writing experience for me I used a bit of both PB and MG techniques! I had to consider the illustrations when I wrote Drag and Rex, but I could be a bit more relaxed about word count. I think what draws me to writing a specific type of book is influenced by what I happen to be reading at the time. Early in my career, I read a lot of picture books. I was reading piles and piles of them first to my children but then also because I just loved reading them so much. As my kids got older and were reading chapter books…I did too. Now they are 31 and almost 28! But I still love reading children’s books.
What are some of the pros and cons of writing across genres?
What advice do you have for writers who are interested in pursuing writing in different areas of kidlit (magazines, middle grade, chapter books, early readers, picture books, etc.)?
I think it’s important and helpful to read the genre or type of book that you are writing. If you are writing a middle-grade novel, then read middle-grade novels. If you are writing YA, read YA books. If you are working on a mystery, read mysteries! There are so many great authors who inspire me, and I love to think about their style and technique and try to figure out what it is I like (or on occasion what I don’t like) about a particular voice or storyline and analyze what makes it work so well.
Do you have any tips on techniques for writing across genres as well as how to shift gears and mindset from one genre to the next? Explain.
Usually when I write, no matter the genre or type of book I am working on, I always start with a character. My storyline (or lines) develop from my characters. For example, in my latest book Drag and Rex Forever Friends illustrated by Blythe Russo, each character has a very distinct (and extinct!!!) personality. Drag is a dragon who is a bit scatterbrained, a little messy, and very impulsive. Those character traits helped me to develop storylines that involve gobbling up a cake before it can be delivered to a friend, and accidentally, ALMOST ruining a very snowy day.
Using that technique of developing my characters first, and therefore getting to know them helps me to develop the plotlines in my stories. It doesn’t matter what kind of book I’m writing because each story always needs a character (or two or three or more) and my stories always develop from the characters I create.
I will also reiterate what I mentioned above and that is to read whatever type of book you are writing. If you are writing a picture book, read picture books. Note the books you really loved and what it was about the style, or tone, or cadence that made it so appealing.
AUTHOR VISITS
Have you been able to have any author visits? If so, what kind of visit was it (school/library/bookstore, etc)?
This year because it was a launch year, I did a lot of events at bookstores, libraries, book fairs, conferences, and even a couple of events at a bakery. All of my school visits this year were virtual and took place over World Read Aloud Day (but all week long) I had a terrific book launch last November at Wellesley Books with one of my critique partners, author Anna Staniszewski moderating. I really enjoyed that format and it was a packed house!
What kind of response did you receive?
For the most part most of my events went very well and I had some good turnouts. But even if an event isn’t very busy, I’m always grateful to have an audience big or small to read to. I so appreciate all of the support from so many enthusiastic booksellers, librarians and teachers, and of course the readers and students are awesome!
What’s your favorite part of a visit?
I do love engaging with readers and I especially love the Q & A portion of a visit. Kids are so incredibly curious and smart. And oftentimes they will tell me what they have been reading or about stories they have written.
About how long is a visit and what kind of routine do you have?
Most of my visits are about an hour to an hour and a half. Typically the event starts off with a reading followed by an activity and then a book signing.
Do you offer any freebies or promo swag?
I always have plenty of bookmarks to hand out and lately some Drag and Rex stickers
For authors or illustrators who may be debuting and not quite sure how to set up these visits or what to do when there, could you share a little bit about the process of how you arrange your visits? Do you reach out to schools/libraries/bookstores- does your agent/editor- or do they reach out to you directly?
It’s a bit of all of that! I've been doing this for a while so I have several booksellers and librarians that I'm very comfortable reaching out to to set up an event. I think it’s always helpful to consider the timing of the event of course…
For example for picture books and early readers, scheduling a visit during a bookseller’s regular story time is an advantage as usually there's an audience or a regular group that comes to those events every week, and so you have a chance of already having a nice turnout.
Middle-grade readers can be trickier as readers that age tend to have very busy schedules. In the past I have teamed up with other authors to do book signing tours…having a group of authors at one event can add a bit more buzz and help create a lot of excitement.
There are also times when the publicity manager from my publisher will organize an event for me. Often it will be at a conference, or sometimes at a bookstore where the bookseller has reached out looking to host an event with an author.
Do you have any tips for an author and/or illustrator’s first visit?
With library or bookstore visits, I always try to create more of an event rather than just an author reading (not that reading isn’t exciting on its own of course, but making the appearance sound a bit like a party helps to add to the excitement!)
For example, at one library event over winter break we had a winter fun theme which tied in with one of the story themes in my new early reader chapter book, Drag and Rex Forever Friends. We served hot chocolate and incorporated an activity.
Other events were friendship-themed “parties” which included making friendship bracelets after a reading; at one bookstore we hosted a pajama party…I wore mine with my slippers and readers were invited to show up in theirs for a bedtime story. For both Drag and Rex and Lizzy and the Good Luck Girl I have done several very well-attended events at a local bakery. After my reading, the kids toured the bakery and then decorated either a cake or brownie that was tied in with a storyline.
One of my favorite events was after Lizzy and the Good Luck Girl first came out. That book has a subplot that involves the main character and her best friend knitting sweaters for cats to raise money for the animal shelter where they volunteer. (You can guess how that turns out…trying to put a sweater on a cat!) In the end, they knit blankets instead. I did an event at a library where everyone made little patchwork blankets and donated them to the local animal shelter. The shelter volunteers even showed up at the library, and the local paper did a story about it so I received an extra boost of publicity.
Be creative and have fun! Think about the themes in your book and how they might tie in with a particular event.
Now it’s time for BOOKS!
BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS!
We’d love to hear about some of your books; from the first concept and inspiration to the final product.
I had actually written the first version of Drag and Rex Forever Friends more than ten years ago. I have always loved the simple storylines in early readers, making soup or raking leaves. I am a huge fan of Arnold Lobel’s Frog and Toad, and James Marshall’s George and Martha and was inspired by these lovely books.
Drag and Rex started out as Bitsy and Mo and then a host of other names. I had no idea who these characters were supposed to be…a dog and a cat? A rabbit and mouse? They were constantly changing. But I had written two of the stories (though a few details changed once I figured out that they were to be a dragon and T-rex!) and then they sat untouched in a file drawer until the Covid quarantine. I took out the stories, did a bit of tweaking and sent them to my agent. She loved them even though we still didn’t know who the characters were. I decided to set aside trying to figure out who I wanted them to be and thought about instead, who would kids want them to be? And that was how they became Drag and Rex. Alison Weiss at Pixel + Ink fell in love with these two. The process for finding an illustrator took a very long time…there were actual auditions! Blythe Russo nailed it! Shetruly understood the essence of these two buddies. It was so exciting to see how she brought the pair to life!
Do you have any favorite illustrative spreads? If so, which and why?
There are so many it’s hard to pick just one but I guess if I have to…this one is really extra special. It was one of the first illustrations I saw when the book was in production and I just love how Blythe Russo so perfectly depicted these three friends about to share this yummy carrot cake!
If you had to describe in one sentence what inspires you on a daily basis to pursue writing as a career… what motivates you to put your thoughts and heart on the line and share it with others… what would it be?
I think I can actually say it in one word: Stories. I love to read, write, and listen to them. I’m so grateful to be a part of this creative kidlit world!
What have been some of your most meaningful or fulfilling projects and what makes them so special to you?
Each project has had its joys and frustrations. But I think writing Lizzy and the Good Luck girl taught me one of the most important lessons as a writer…and that is… to dig really deep into your main character. To find out what it is your character really wants. For me getting to the heart of my character meant getting to the heart of my story.
What do you hope others will take away from your books?
I hope readers just enjoy the story. Maybe laugh or feel touched in some way. I never write with the intention to provide a lesson.
Anything special you’d like to share with us today that we may not know?
The second book in the Drag and Rex series, Sweet and Silly (illustrated by Blythe Russo) will be out in the fall of 2024!
What final words of wisdom would you like to share with your readers?
Love what you do, be passionate about your writing and be persistent! All else will fall into place! Remember that there’s always something to learn, too no matter what stage of your career you are at. And finally, the best bit of advice I ever got (I am so sorry I can’t remember where I read it!!!) And that is: allow yourself to write badly. That was a stumbling block for me…that I would type something out then erase it and rewrite and rewrite until I thought it was perfect. That’s ok to do that too once in a while! But some days allow yourself to just write…and keep going no matter how awful you think it is, magic can happen if you don’t stifle the process.
Thank you so much for joining us today, Susan. And now… It’s time for a GIVEAWAY!
Susan Lubner is offering the following giveaway prizes: (one prize PER winner )
Prize 1: A signed copy of Drag and Rex Forever Friends
Prize 2: A 20-minute virtual visit with the book.
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Susan Lubner grew up in Bangor, Maine but has lived in Massachusetts for most of her life. She is the author of the early reader chapter book series from Pixel + Ink, Drag and Rex Forever Friends (book 1 fall 2023) and Sweet and Silly (book 2 fall 2024) illustrated by Blythe Russo; two middle grade novels, Lizzy and the Good Luck Girl (Running Press Kids/Hachette Books 2018); and The Upside of Ordinary (Holiday House 2012) and three picture books (Abrams Books for Young Readers 2005, 2006, 2008). Her stories have appeared in Spider Magazine and Highlights for Children. Susan lives with her husband David and a giant poodle named Bailey. They have two grown daughters.
It’s time for our second Feature Interview of April, and today’s guest is a literary superstar. Not only does Maya have a background in literacy and education, but she’s also a current project manager in the world of publishing, an editor, a children’s book writer publishing across genres in kidlit, and married to a picture book author and illustrator, Matt Myers! But, before we get started, in case this is your first time visiting the blog (welcome), here’s a brief introduction to what feature interviews are all about and how they can benefit you!
WHAT ARE FEATURE INTERVIEWS AND WHY ARE THEY SO GREAT?
In a nutshell, here’s what a “feature interview” is. Every month, I sit down with literary professionals –authors,illustrators,editors, andagents– at all stages of their careers- from newly debuting to well-established, seasoned best sellers- and we discuss all things kidlit publishing. (Many of my guests are also former or current educators andlibrarians!)
These interviews are a great resource for kidlit writers and illustrators no matter where they are in their journey. Not only do they offer current information on market trends, but they also give readers an up close & personal look at the world of publishing from a diverse collection of creators and perspectives.
Here’s a list of just a few of the helpful things we discuss:
Where to find both FREE and PAID for writing memberships, craft workshops, contests, and other resources
How to query agents and editors and what they’re looking for
Where to find kidlit community and support from other writers or illustrators
What to do after you sign with your first agent – and/or make your first book deal
How to promote your books as a debuting author or illustrator
Behind the scenes of hosting author events- library/school visits
How to get your books into bookstores & schools
And of course- during each feature interview segment- we share new publishing deals & host giveaway prizes for our readers!!! ** Giveaway PRIZES and instructions on HOW to enter are listed at the bottom of each interview**
Not that we’ve shared a little about what’s in store… it’s time to jump into our interview!
BEGINNINGS
Maya, I’m so excited to have you with us today! I loved your book NOT LITTLE and was happy to see all the various ways you work in the world of kidlit. But before I get too deep into the details… I like starting my interviews at the very beginning.
I know you were “once upon a time” a kindergarten teacher. And now you’re a children’s book author – writing across genres! – (among other things).
So, for the author side of things, when and how did you get your start in publishing? Was it something you always knew you wanted to do, or was it something you discovered later in life? And did your previous work as an educator have anything to do with your desire to write kids’ books?
In my first career as an elementary school teacher, I designed my teaching units around books. Books were always a big part of my own life and my kids’ lives, too. When I started freelance editing, I reached out to children’s publishers because I had a lot of experience reading children’s books. But I didn’t really think I’d ever write one—until I did! I started writing picture books around the time my youngest daughter (now 16) started school. She said the funniest things and one day, I was sitting in the next room listening to her talk to my husband, and I decided to take a shot at preserving some of her childhood by writing about it.
What were the beginning stages of your publishing journey like? Can you tell us about the early stages- querying- rejections and how you wound up with your agent?
I was lucky enough to know Neal Porter (my first editor) through my husband, who has worked with him for years. Neal read my very first story and encouraged me to keep writing, and graciously read a number of manuscripts for me over several years. The first time I showed him Not Little (my first published picture book), he liked it but said it wasn’t quite right for him. I felt good about it anyway, so I submitted it to a couple of agents, but with no luck. About six months later, I shared a completely different type of book with Neal, and while he liked it, he said he just wanted a good, solid story from me. I asked if he remembered the story about the little girl who stands up against bullying, which I had recently revisited and tweaked the ending of. I still really loved it and told Neal I didn’t think I could do much better than that. He asked to see it again, and this time, he said it was perfect and he wanted to publish it! I was shocked and thrilled. My husband’s agent’s assistant was just moving into representing clients of her own, and she accepted me as one of them.
WORK-FOR-HIRE + WRITING ACROSS GENRES
Not only are you traditionally published and agented by the lovely Hannah Mann at Writers House, but you also do work-for-hire books and work as an editor and project manager. This is the dream! Or at least- I think it’s the dream. As someone who would love to dip her toe into work-for-hire work herself, can you tell us more about what’s involved in this process? Is it similar to the querying process? And does your agent have anything to do with your work-for-hire projects, or is this done separately?
I initially shared my resume with National Geographic Kids as a freelance copyeditor and proofreader, and I didn’t hear from them for a year. When they did reach out, it was to ask if I was interested in writing a leveled reader. I had never done anything like that before (and this was before I’d sold my first picture book), but I was excited to try! That project led to a few others like it, as well as some bigger books, and also to some project management work for NGK and then with other companies. My agent connected me with another publisher that does some projects this way, but these projects are generally not agented. I’m contacted by the publisher or organization; they offer a job with a flat fee and a schedule, and I can accept it or not.
I’ve heard that the work-for-hire projects can be more selective, and oftentimes, they’re written in-house. Can you speak to this? Would you say it’s more difficult than getting your work published traditionally with an agent and publisher?
I guess this depends on the type of project. For the work-for-hire projects I’ve done so far, I’ve just been offered the jobs, so it’s been WAY easier than trying to sell a manuscript. To me, these WFH projects feel closer to editorial work than to creative work; I’m making a product to fit a prescribed mold rather than coming up with a concept and an original way to present it. It’s a collaborative process with a whole team. I’m proud of the end result, of course, but I feel a different sense of ownership for the books I’ve generated from my imagination.
Circling back to publishing across genres in kidlit… I wonder, do you have a favorite to write or read? PB? MG? Chapter books? Personally, I write mainly picture book manuscripts- and I love reading picture books- but I also really love reading middle-grade. What about you?
I started out writing picture books with no intention of expanding to other audiences. My first chapter book started as a picture book; it was my agent’s idea to make it longer and for older kids, and I wasn’t sure it would work, but it turned out I really enjoyed writing with more room for dialogue and description.
I love that my work as an editor lets me read as a full-time job! This gives me a chance to read a lot more MG and YA than I would otherwise have time for, and I really enjoy both. I always love picture books, too, and I miss having little people to read to on a regular basis!
What tips can you give other writers or illustrators who are trying to break into the industry?
I think no matter what age you’re writing for; a unique voice and perspective will always serve you well. And if your main character can surprise the reader in some way—give them something that’s a little different from what they were expecting because of the way the character has grown or changed in the course of the story—that helps create a more satisfying ending.
“I think no matter what age you’re writing for; a unique voice and perspective will always serve you well. And if your main character can surprise the reader in some way—give them something that’s a little different from what they were expecting because of the way the character has grown or changed in the course of the story—that helps create a more satisfying ending. “
OTHER ROLES IN PUBLISHING: SHARED PASSIONS & INSPIRATION
In addition to writing across kidlit genres, you’re also an editor and work as a project manager. Can you tell us more about those positions? What’s involved in each? And do they have a positive crossover- if any- to your writing career- or vice-versa?
I do freelance developmental editing, copyediting, and proofreading for various publishers and authors. I enjoy working with text at all these different levels—big picture to tiniest detail. Project management tends to be more organizational—making sure all the moving pieces come together at the right time and in the right ways—and I’m often also the text editor for these projects (for example, a set of leveled readers) as well, so the job brings together lots of skills I’ve developed over the years as a freelancer.
As a writer, I definitely get inspired by editing other people’s books, and I hope I’m an easy author to work with because I have some experience with the process of the book actually getting made.
I think it’s beyond words cool that your husband also works in the kidlit arena with you. How fun to have that shared passion! And as I was writing these questions, I kept wondering how it all happened. So, here’s my question. Which came first- the chicken or the egg? The chicken being your husband Matt, the egg being your beginning to publication. Were your two paths linked? Did you begin writing together? Did one of you start first? Were you already married when you started writing, or did the writing dream begin afterward?
Who says I’m not the chicken?? Just kidding—Matt has been at this much longer than I have, since years before we got married. He found my feedback on his own writing helpful and encouraged me to get into editing. Then, when I started writing, he encouraged me to share my work with Neal, who encouraged me further. My first story was inspired by watching Matt and my youngest bond over imaginary play.
What is it like being married to an author/illustrator? Do you ever brainstorm ideas together or get to work on projects together?
We are always each other’s first editor—an in-house (literally) critique group. We talk about story ideas, some of which come to fruition for one of us and some that fade away. If authors got to choose their own illustrators, I would choose him again and again; however, I’ve been so incredibly lucky with the illustrators for my books that I’m glad I didn’t have that option! We have not yet worked on a project together, but we hope to someday.
A double book launch for me and Matt at Park Road Books in Charlotte, North Carolina
I was also excited to see that you live in Charlotte, North Carolina (I have family there). I actually grew up in a small town outside of Asheville- and only moved to Tennessee a few years ago after getting married. (I lived there from ages 12-28). I’ve been penning tales since I was 4, so when my family moved me to NC at age 12, it definitely stirred my creative inspiration for writing. From regular weekly drives through the Blue Ridge Parkway, trips to the orchards, swimming in creeks on the side of the road, and finding hidden waterfalls along the trails, there was so much to spark the imagination!
Do you find your inspiration in similar ways, being out in nature? If not, what kinds of things inspire you to write? And what do you enjoy writing about most?
I grew up in rural Maine, and I’ve always been inspired by nature; my next picture book (Good Morning, Morning, coming in 2026 from Neal Porter Books, illustrated by Jennifer Mann) is about a child greeting the day by connecting with all the different things in their natural world. I have also always loved young kids and the funny things they say and think and do. I like watching them put the pieces of the world together, figuring out how things fit and where they fit in all of it. It feels really satisfying to represent a kid’s world view in a story.
Speaking of writing and inspiration… one thing I’ve found to be invaluable on this journey is being a part of the writing community. It helps keep you motivated to continue going even when things get tough. Do you have any recommendations or favorite places to go to find a writing community?
A lot of libraries host writing groups, and your local SCBWI chapter can also be a great resource. Attending book launches at your local bookstore is an excellent way to support both authors and bookstores, and to meet other authors and help build your own local writing community.
“A lot of libraries host writing groups, and your local SCBWI chapter can also be a great resource. Attending book launches at your local bookstore is an excellent way to support both authors and bookstores, and to meet other authors and help build your own local writing community.“
THE JOURNEY: CHALLENGES & WORDS OF WISDOM
We love cheerleading and hearing all the good things that happen for our fellow writers. But sometimes, hearing only the positives (aka half the story…) can be misleading and, at times- disheartening- because people might feel like they’re the only ones struggling. So, what are some challenges you’ve personally had to face on your publishing journey, and how have you been able to combat them?
I think the hardest things for me have been waiting and rejection. Both have certainly gotten easier over time as I’ve come to know what to expect. It was three years between when I sold my first picture book manuscript and when the book came out into the world. It’s usually many months between the time a manuscript goes out on submission and the time an editor makes an offer or (more often) a pass. It’s important to me to stay busy with other things, or I’d spend all my time obsessing over whatever book is out on submission—it’s better if I don’t think about it at all! Especially since more often than not, chances are that book will never sell. Even though I have an awesome agent and my published books have been very well received, it is still very hard to sell a new book. I know my books are not for everybody, and I do not take rejections personally. I keep a spreadsheet with notes about what worked and didn’t work for various editors, and I review those notes as I’m developing new ideas. And I know that if I never sell another book again, I’ll still be incredibly proud of the ones that have been published.
In your professional opinion, what makes publishing so hard? And what words of wisdom do you have for those just starting out?
Like any art, writing is inherently a subjective business, so some people will like your work, and some will not. Rejection is never easy, and there are very few rejection-free paths to publishing. It can be hard to believe in something you created when other people don’t seem to get it—but that doesn’t mean no one will ever get it.
One of the best things we can do to keep our work relevant to the current market is to keep reading new books that are being published. See what’s out there, what you like and don’t like. Then you can see both where you can fit in with the crowd and what holes you can fill with your unique voice.
While we’re talking about “words of wisdom,” do you have any “do’s and/or don’ts” to share with our readers? Do make a storyboard for your picture book. You don’t have to be able to draw. Just thinking about where the words will go on the page will help you figure out page turns and will help you lower your word count.
Do leave room for the illustrator to do their job. In a well-balanced picture book, neither the text nor the illustrations will be as effective separately as they are together. The words don’t need to describe what things look like, and the more you can stay open to different ways your book might ultimately look in the end, the happier you are likely to be with the illustrations.
Do put every project away for long enough that you can forget how it goes. Then, try to come back to it and read it with fresh eyes. Pretend someone else wrote it. What parts work well? What could be done better?
Do share your work with others and listen to what they have to say. That’s not the same thing as doing everything they say, not at all. But hear it, decide whether it resonates with you, and either act on it or release it.
“Like any art, writing is inherently a subjective business, so some people will like your work, and some will not. Rejection is never easy, and there are very few rejection-free paths to publishing. It can be hard to believe in something you created when other people don’t seem to get it—but that doesn’t mean no one will ever get it.“
“One of the best things we can do to keep our work relevant to the current market is to keep reading new books that are being published. See what’s out there, what you like and don’t like. Then you can see both where you can fit in with the crowd and what holes you can fill with your unique voice.“
BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS!
Okay, we’ve made it through all the nitty-gritty publishing questions, and now it’s time to celebrate- with books! We’ve danced around the topic of your writing across genres. Now, let’s hear about your stories! Tell us about your books!
Each story tells about a part of us. What do each of your books mean to you personally? Why’d you write them? And what do you hope they will do for your readers? What was each journey like for your story? Which one was published first- your debut book deal? What were the emotions of the process? And about how long did each book take- from the beginning (writing) to book deal and publication?
For some of our readers who are new to publishing, it might come as a surprise that not all authors in the kidlit arena are illustrators- in fact, most aren’t. Can you share a little bit about the illustration process for your books and how much or little you were involved in that?
My debut picture book was Not Little, illustrated by Hyewon Yum (Neal Porter Books / Holiday House, 2021). My inspiration for this book came from a number of tiny but fierce kids I’ve known over the years, who seemed to make up for their “little” stature with outsized spunk and determination. One of them is my youngest, who was very small as a young child and a precocious reader. She was perpetually indignant that the school librarian wouldn’t let her check out big chapter books and was often looked at skeptically when she would order (and polish off) a whole pizza in a restaurant.
I wrote this story in 2017 when there was a new level of vitriol and unkindness flying around in the world, and I wanted to remind my own kids and others that anyone can fight back against cruelty without being cruel. I sold the manuscript in 2018, and the book was published in 2021.
I made these Dot dolls as a pandemic project—one for Neal, one for Hyewon, one for me.
I was originally hoping that Neal, my editor, would select Matt as the illustrator for my first book; after all, they’d been working together for years, so why wouldn’t he pair us up? So when Neal told me that he’d decided to go with someone else, I was a little bit disappointed. But I loved Hyewon’s work, and when I first saw the dummy (sketches) for Not Little, I was so excited to “meet” the main character and her family that I burst into happy tears.
An illustrator’s note in the manuscript had said she came from a big family, but the multigenerational blended family Hyewon imagined was greater than I could have hoped for!
I knew I wanted to get to know that family better, so that’s where I started the follow-up book Not Perfect, which I wrote and sold in 2021 and which is out now, in 2024 (again, a three-year turnaround). Not Perfect is for all of us who strive for perfection. It’s a reminder that it’s the striving itself—the trying, the making mistakes, and the bouncing back and trying again—that makes us strong.
Meeting Hyewon Yum at the Society of Illustrators Original Art Show, 2019
As I mentioned earlier, my first chapter book started out as a picture book called Little Red Writing Hood. My agent loved it and got it ready to go out on submission. Then, at the last minute, she said she thought the story was better suited to older readers and suggested that I rewrite it as a chapter book. It took me about a year to get on board with this idea, but once I started, I really loved writing for older kids. And when we sold that manuscript to Krissy Mohn at Capstone (summer of 2022), she said she wanted a series of four books—and all the manuscripts were due within six months! So I had to make room in my schedule for a lot more writing than I usually do, but it was a lot of fun, and I’m so thrilled to have all four books coming out this year (the first two are out now; the other two coming in August).
Eleanor Howell did an incredible job with the illustrations! Each of the books has a curriculum-based focus (writing, scientific method, research, and graphing), nestled into some of the real social and emotional struggles that elementary-aged kids face. I liked getting back to teacher mode for these curriculum-based stories, and I really hope the books will be helpful to teachers—and fun for kids to read!
For all my books so far, and for almost all of the dozens of books I’ve seen my husband illustrate, the writing process and the illustration process are pretty separate. The author has the freedom to create the story as they envision it, and then the editor has the fun job of playing matchmaker: choosing an illustrator they think will bring this story to life in an effective, engaging way, then giving them the freedom to do just that. In return for your trust, you get the gift of having an artist enhance your story by turning your ideas into a visual experience.
What has/have been your favorite part/parts of being a published author? If you have more than one favorite – feel free to share! I know it’s hard for me to pick a single favorite, so I totally understand if you can’t choose just one.
I love connecting with kids and making them feel empowered to do things—whether it’s recovering from frustration or, standing up to a bully or writing a story of their own. It’s also super fun to work in the same field as my husband, and getting to make friends within the kid lit community together.
These pictures are awesome. Thanks so much for sharing them with us and for joining us today, Maya.
Thanks so much for having me!
But we’re not quite finished yet. Now it’s time for our GIVEAWAY.
GIVEAWAY PRIZE: Maya is offering a signed copy of Not Little or Not Perfect.
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Maya Myers writes books for kids. Her debut picture book, NOT LITTLE, was named a 2022 ALSC Notable Children’s Book. She’s also a freelance book editor and publishing project manager, working with both authors and publishers on all sorts of books, from phonics readers to memoir and everything in between. She’s a former kindergarten teacher, K-5 literacy teacher, and piccolo player. These days, when she’s not wrangling words, she’s probably cooking, digging in the garden, playing a board game with lots of pieces, or (surprise!) reading.
Maya grew up playing in the woods on the coast of Maine in a little town that is still almost thirty miles from a stoplight. She attended Duke University and has called North Carolina home ever since. She lives in Charlotte with her husband, author/illustrator Matt Myers, three kids, six chickens, and a twenty-three-pound cat.
Hello, writing friends, and welcome back to Chelsea’s World of Books blog. Can you believe we’re in the new year ALREADY? And to get things started, we’re diving into 2024 with a very special guest; Children’s Book Author of one of our favorites, FREAKY, FUNKY FISH, Debra Shumaker!
But before we get started… just in case this is your first time here, let me tell you a little about what makes segments special.
WHAT’S SO GREAT ABOUT FEATURE INTERVIEWS?
Feature Interviews are an INVALUABLE resource for kidlit writers and illustrators at every stage of their publishing journey. Not only are they a great way to stay current on market trends and learn more about the industry’s ins and outs, but they also give readers an up close & personal look at the world of publication from the perspectives of a diverse collection of creators.
Every month, I sit down with members of the writing community (authors, illustrators, editors, and agents), and we discuss all things kidlit publishing.
Here are a few examples of topics:
Writing workshops and resources
Diversity in literature and why it matters
Where to find support and community
How to improve writing craft and set goals
How to deal with setbacks/disappointments and WAITING
Helpful tips and suggestions for aspiring authors and illustrators
Querying agents, contract negotiations, book deals, and time frames
And of course- NEW BOOKS!
So, now that you know what to expect… let’s get into our interview.
Debra Kempf Shumaker started reading at the age of four and hasn’t stopped since. She grew up on a small dairy farm in Wisconsin but now writes fiction and nonfiction picture books from the suburbs of Northern Virginia. She is the author of the nonfiction rhyming FREAKY, FUNKY FISH, and PECULIAR PRIMATES (Running Press Kids, 2021 & 2022), a social-emotional learning book, TELL SOMEONE (Albert Whitman, 2021), and the upcoming WIND IS (Kids Can Press, 2024). Debra is also the co-host of #PBPitch, a Twitter pitch party for picture books held every February, June, and October. When she isn’t reading or writing, she enjoys hiking, gardening, and watching Jeopardy. Visit her online at www.debrashumaker.com, on Twitter at @ShumakerDebra, and on Instagram at @debrakshumaker.
THE SPARK THAT STARTED IT ALL
Debra, I can’t tell you how thrilled I was to find your name among the many stuffed in my submissions box for the 2024 Feature Interview lineup. Being a librarian and kidlit writer myself, I’ve had and witnessed many delightful read-alouds of your stories. Something that I love about your writing style is how you blend education with fun- and, to top it all off, you incorporate rhyme! Which is something that I think only the real wizardly kidlit writers of the world can successfully tame. But before I go off on a tangent on your books (I promise we’ll circle back to it), I’d love to start our conversation today by asking how you landed in the world of children’s publishing. What was “the spark that started it all?”
First, thank you so much for your kind words! I love hearing that read-alouds with my books are delightful! As far as “the spark,” as many writers can relate, I’ve always loved reading and had the “some day” dream of writing a novel. When I married and had kids, I took a step back from my corporate job and became a stay-at-home Mom. I took the kids to the library several times a week, checking out dozens of picture books. And I was floored. I didn’t remember picture books like those when I was a kid. And I fell in love with picture books. I decided that I was going to figure out how to be a part of the picture book creation. My kids are in their upper teens and twenties now, so it took a while, but I figured it out!
Can you tell us a little bit about what kinds of stories you write and why you write them?
I write both fiction and nonfiction picture books. So far, I’ve had more success with my nonfiction books. But I write whatever strikes my fancy. Many ideas come from some random fact that I read about or some emotions I’m feeling—wonder, joy, fear, sadness, or a complicated mixture—and want to write a story to give a place for kids to either find that wonder or explore their complicated feelings, too. And sometimes, I write a story because an editor asked for a specific story.
I understand that you grew up on a small farm with eight siblings, and you’ve always loved reading. Can you tell us a little more about your childhood experiences with books and maybe share some of your favorites?
Growing up, as I did, we didn’t have a lot of money. But my Dad loved reading, so somehow, we always had books in our house, mostly from rummage sales or from people who knew we had a big family and wanted to pass down books from their family. I also loved Library Day and Scholastic Book Fairs. I don’t remember reading too many picture books, but I remember reading lots of easy readers. My favorite were Disney Encyclopedias. I spent hours and hours reading those!
I mentioned before that I’m a librarian… and I noticed on your website that your favorite day of each week as a young girl was “library day” at school. Which makes me so happy- mine was too! Can you tell us a little bit about the magic you experienced as a young girl in the library and what memories stand out most to you to this day? As I mentioned, money was tight. Also, there were no bookstores nearby. I depended on Library Day during the school year and the Book Mobile (that we would bike to in the summer) to have new books to read. I remember the awe of walking up and down the bookshelves and picking as many as I could fit in my arms. I loved horses and probably read every horse book the library and Book Mobile had.
Now we’ve talked about the past… let’s fast-forward a little. Before becoming a children’s book author, what was life like? What kind of work did you do? And what were the events that led to the switch to writing as a career?
My first career out of college was as a Registered Dietitian for a nursing home. I eventually moved on to training healthcare software to staff in nursing homes, then staff development training for a healthcare software company. Not publishing-related at all. But sometimes, I took writing classes at community colleges because I dreamed of writing a novel someday. After having kids, becoming a stay-at-home Mom, and taking my boys to the library, the spark was ignited, as I noted in the first question. It took me a few years to call myself a writer, and a lot more years to finally get that byline in a magazine, and many more years before getting my name on a book!
THE PROCESS: QUERYING AGENTS/SUBMITTING TO PUBLISHING HOUSES
What was the publishing process like for you? Can you share a little about your experience with querying agents? When did you begin your publishing journey? When/how did you find your agent agent/agency match?
The publishing process was very long. I started writing for kids in 2007, but with three boys in 3 ½ years, very sporadically. Once they started school, I started being more intentional in finding time to write. At first I wrote both picture books and magazine articles and did find success with a few articles in Boys’ Quest, Fun for Kidz, and Spider. By 2011, I had joined SCBWI and started seriously submitting picture books to editors then agents. Participating in challenges like PiBoIdMo (Picture Book Idea Month) and 12 x 12 greatly improved my writing and my understanding of publishing. Around 2015, I finally started getting champagne rejections and requests for R&Rs (revise and resubmits), but didn’t connect with an agent until 2017. That was Natascha Morris with BookEnds Literary. I submitted one of my fiction stories to her through the normal query process. She loved it and asked for a few more, then offered representation. (After she sold my first two books, she did leave BookEnds. I am now repped by James McGowan with BookEnds.)
Once you signed with your agent/agency, what was the submission process like?
The benefit to having an agent is to have the doors to bigger publishers open up. But having an agent also meant that every story I wrote did not necessarily go on sub. She had to feel confident in it, too. But I loved being able to put all my focus on my writing instead of researching agents or houses that took unsolicited subs.
How long did it take to receive your first book deal?
I first signed with Natascha in July of 2017. After a few revisions, she subbed that first story widely. I had several R&Rs, and it went to acquisitions to around 4 or 5 houses, but we never sold that book. It was 18 months and four other manuscript submissions later before we finally found an editor who gave me a YES. And that was for FREAKY, FUNKY FISH in January of 2019.
RESOURCES & WORDS OF ADVICE
The beginning stages of the writing journey is a very tender time. It’s a time for learning and growth. Like everything in life, real growth comes through patience and trial and error. And it can be difficult. Rejections sting. Waiting is hard. But, the further along you go, the stronger you get and the more you learn. What has been your biggest challenge in the kidlit publishing arena, and how have you been able to overcome it?
Rejection is hard. The one thing writers can’t control is agents or editors deciding to take on your book. One thing I could control was to continue to work on my craft and to continue to write and submit. I continually reminded myself that agents and editors were rejecting my stories, not me personally.
If you could share a piece of advice with newly aspiring authors or illustrators, what would it be?
I tell every aspiring picture book author to type up the text of picture books they love. (And that have been published in the last few years.) It’s the best way to get a feel for voice, pacing, page turns, and so much more. By doing this, it will become more innate when they write. Plus, if the book they are typing up has both an author and an illustrator, aspiring authors can get a better idea of how the manuscript looked when it was bought as a text-only document. Odds are, there was a lot of room left for the illustrator. I’ve typed up more than 300 books since 2015, and I continue to do so on a regular basis. My first drafts have improved so much because of this exercise.
Speaking of words of advice… let’s talk a little bit about writing community and resources. What are some of the best resources you were able to find when you started down the road to kidlit publishing?
In my first few years of writing, I didn’t know where to get ideas. I only had two manuscripts that I worked on over and over again. Thankfully, I stumbled upon Tara Lazar’s PiBoIdMo (Picture Book Idea Month) which has now morphed into StoryStorm that happens every January. It trained my brain to always be on alert for ideas, and now I have more than I can handle. Shortly after my first PiBoIdMo, I found Julie Hedlund’s 12x12. This was back when there weren’t agent submission opportunities and “levels”, just a community of writers attempting to write 12 picture book drafts in 12 months. Being a part of that community was priceless. The KidLit411 website is an amazing resource for KidLit writers.
Since we’re discussing helpful resources, I’d like to add the importance of having a strong writing community. Making connections is one of the best things a new writer or illustrator can do. Not only do you learn from each other… but you’re able to support and lift one another up. You can share and celebrate good news- and share and comfort hard news. It’s crucial for your mental health as a creator to have your clan of supporters around you- who both understand what it’s like and appreciate your continued efforts. Where are some places you’d recommend going to find that “kidlit community”?
Besides StoryStorm and 12x12, I love the KidLit411 Community on Facebook. Facebook has many great writing groups for community. But I also highly recommend finding a critique group, or two, or three, either in-person or online. I belong to four! The KidLit 411 website offers a place to find critique partners. And join SCBWI. When you join the national organization, you will get placed in a regional chapter. Conferences are an amazing way to meet fellow creators. Attending my regional conference is how I found my in-person critique group.
Another thing I think can really help to keep a creator’s creative juices flowing and inspired is participating in kidlit events. There are so many great contests out there! One of them is one that you co-host. Can you tell us a little bit about how you started #PBPitch events on Twitter/X, what they are, and what their intended purpose is?
Ah, #PBPitch. I’m so proud of it. It started back in 2015. I had just joined Twitter because in various KidLit groups on Facebook, I kept hearing about #PitMad, which was a pitch party for books for all ages. (For pitch parties, creators post a pitch for a completed manuscript with the corresponding hashtag, and if an agent or editor “hearts” it, it’s an invitation to submit the manuscript.) In March 2015, I participated in my first #PitMad, and there seemed to be very little love for picture books that day. Mandy Yates posted in one of the FB groups that someone should start one for just picture books. I responded that I had no idea what I was doing but would help. As did PJ McIlvaine. And before we knew it, the three of us created #PBPitch and hosted our first one a few months later. We had no idea if anyone would tweet or if any agent or editor would stop by, but they did! We’ve held it three times a year ever since. Each one has resulted in at least one successful agent match or book deal. We have numerous success stories on our website (pbpitch.weebly.com), and I’m sure many more have happened that we just aren’t aware of.
PREPPING FOR DEBUT AUTHOR BOOK LAUNCH: ORGANIZING VISITS/EVENTS: SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, BOOK SIGNINGS
Okay, so now we have an agent, a book deal, and a launch date. Yay! Now what? Now it’s time to SELL the book. Can you tell us about your experience in preparing for your debut book launch and creating your author brand? What worked best? What didn’t? And why?
My debut, FREAKY, FUNKY FISH: ODD FACTS ABOUT FASCINATING FISH, came out in May 2021 when the world was still largely shut down due to the pandemic. I was able to have a launch outside of my local indie, Scrawl Books, but the weather was quite windy and chilly and sparsely attended. However, in getting ready for my debut, I joined a co-marketing group called PB Debut Troupe 21. Fourteen of us creators had debuts coming out that year, and we shared our joy, commiserated in the frustrations, helped boost each other’s books on social media, and wrote reviews. I’m still good friends with those creators. I highly recommend debuts join or create a co-marketing group!
A great way to boost your brand and share your story with others is by hosting author visits. Can you tell us about some of the visits you’ve hosted? How do you conduct your author visits? How long are they? Do you charge an author fee? Are you the one organizing them, or is it your agent/publisher? If you’re the one organizing, how do you go about reaching out about scheduling your visit?
Occasionally, a bookstore has reached out to my publisher for an author event, but that’s only been once or twice. So, 99% of the time, I am doing the outreach to bookstores, schools, and libraries. For readings at bookstores, I do not charge a fee, but for programs at libraries and schools, I do. For Author Visits at schools, I do 3 - 4 presentations in one day–I don’t only read my book and talk about being an author, I have presentations connected to curriculum. To promote my Author Visits, I’ve attended my state’s librarian conferences to connect with librarians. I’ve also sent out postcards to local schools. I did about six visits last year and loved them, and hope to do more!
What has been the response to the author visits? What has been your favorite part? What has been their favorite part?
My favorite part is being with the kids and exciting them about writing, reading, and science. Hearing them laugh about the facts in my book is priceless. And seeing their eyes light up because they are meeting a real, live author just warms my heart. Their favorite part is probably getting out of regular class, LOL. But I do think many of them love meeting someone who wrote the words in a book they read or heard.
Fox Mill Elementary School in Herndon, VA.
Marumsco Elementary in Woodbridge, VA.
THE BOOKS! RHYME, EDUCATION & HEART
Okay, I promised we’d circle back- and here we are. We’ve finally arrived at my favorite part of the interview- THE BOOKS!
As I mentioned earlier, I’m a big fan of your stories. I love learning, and your books FREAKY, FUNKY FISH, and PECULIAR PRIMATES are such inventive ways to spread knowledge. And your story TELL SOMEONE is just beautiful. But, enough about how much I love your work. I’d love to hear from YOU about each of your books. We touched on the types of books you write and why briefly earlier, but now I want to dig a little deeper. How did each of your stories come to be? What was the inspiration behind them? And what do you hope each story will give your reader?
For my debut, FREAKY, FUNKY FISH, I have to thank my first agent. I had been writing picture book biographies that just weren’t selling. She encouraged me to try something different. Since I love all nonfiction, I decided to try my hand at a science-y picture book and read some rhyming ones about bugs, water, squirrels, etc. I challenged myself to write one about a different animal. I recalled some research I had done about fish for a different fiction manuscript I wrote and remembered how strange some fish were. And wa-la, an idea was born.
For TELL SOMEONE, an editor asked my first agent if she had a writer who would like to try writing a story encouraging kids to talk about their feelings since Albert Whitman wanted to have one on their list. Natascha asked me. My gut reaction was “No,” as I had never written anything “on assignment,” but I pushed myself out of my comfort zone and said I would try. A few months later, I had a contract. After we were in the final stages of FREAKY, FUNKY FISH, I decided to write a companion book about birds, which I titled BIZARRE BIRDS. Running Press Kids felt there were too many picture books about birds and asked if I’d be interested in writing one about primates, so I did!
For my science books, I hope kids are fascinated by the diversity of our world and are inspired to do what they can to preserve it. For TELL SOMEONE, I hope kids are encouraged to talk about their feelings in both good times and hard times. Mental health is important.
There’s a fun musicality that you use in your writing that truly puts the “fun” into “fun facts,” and at the same time, it’s funny. Heart, humor, and education are my favorite combination. And, somehow, you managed to add RHYME into the mix?! Possibly proving that you’re a magician? (Are you a magician?) Can you tell us what inspired you to write your stories in rhyme and what that process looked/felt like?
I love rhyme. My first publication ever was a rhyming poem about a snail who ate a nail in my 3rd-grade newsletter. I frequently wrote “odes” for various occasions growing up, for fun, so I think my debut was destined to rhyme, LOL. When I started writing picture books, I wrote several fiction/concept stories that rhymed but never sold. Some books seem to work better in rhyme, and for both the fish and primates books, I felt rhyme gave them another hook vs. just a list of strange animal adaptations. It’s a lot of work but so much fun, like setting a puzzle.
Did you have anyone try to discourage you from writing in rhyme- and if so, how did you respond?
No, no one discouraged me. I understand meter and know that rhyme is more than just counting syllables and using rhyming words at the end of two lines, so as I revise, I know the rhyme will read smoothly. I won’t quit until it does.
Okay, we’ve talked about rhyme. Now, let’s talk about illustration. Can you tell us about how you ended up with your illustrators and what your first thoughts were?
For Freaky Funky Fish & Peculiar Primates- Claire Powell Tell Someone- Tristan Yuvienco
For both publishers, as is typical in traditional publishing, Running Press Kids and Albert Whitman found the illustrators. For Albert Whitman, the editor and art director, paired my text with Tristan’s art for the pitch at the acquisitions meeting, which was different from Running Press Kids. With them, FREAKY, FUNKY FISH was acquired first, then it took over ten months for them to find an illustrator.
I was absolutely thrilled with both Claire and Tristan once they were selected. Their portfolios were amazing.
Did you envision your characters and stories in a similar way to how they were illustrated?
For FREAKY, FUNKY FISH, I really didn’t have any vision in my head as I had seen so many photos of the fish as I was researching and writing it that I didn’t really give a thought to how they would look illustrated. But seeing Claire’s sketches for the first time was amazing—I loved the personalities she gave all the various fish!
For TELL SOMEONE, I hoped the art would depict various and diverse kids in the different scenarios, so Tristan’s art was in line with what I envisioned. But I was still amazed. His art is so sweet, I want to hug each child in that book.
Do you have a favorite spread from each book?
While I love so much about the illustrations in all three books, my favorite spread in FREAKY, FUNKY FISH is the one with the hammerhead shark and parrotfish. I love Claire’s colors and humor.
For PECULIAR PRIMATES, I love the nighttime scenes–the various primates are so adorable and huggable in that spread!
For TELL SOMEONE, my favorite page is the girl on the first day of school. Tristan’s perspective on this page really emphasizes the girl’s nervousness.
And… you have a new book coming out this Fall. Can you tell us a little bit about that one?
Yes, I do, and I’m so excited about it! WIND IS A DANCE, illustrated by the fabulous Josée Bisaillon, comes out with Kids Can Press on October 1, 2024. This book is a lyrical ode to the wind. I use metaphors to describe various winds we experience—from a ruffling, fluffing breeze to a rumbling, tumbling derecho. I’ve recently seen the colored sketches, and Josée’s art is SO stunning. I cannot wait for the world to see it!
If you could send your past self any piece of writerly advice, what would it be?
Be prepared for the long haul. Getting published is so, so hard, but absolutely worth it.
What’s one last message/piece of advice you’d like to impart to your readers?
If you are a writer and you want to be published, don’t give up. It may take more than 10 years, like it did for me. Work hard on craft and write new stories. Every manuscript you write will likely not get published. I wrote dozens of first drafts and about fifteen polished picture books before my first one was acquired. But I learned something from each manuscript I wrote, not one was a wasted effort.
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Hello, and welcome back to yet another wonderful Feature Interview. If this is your first time visiting, let me tell you a little about what makes these segments so unique.
What’s the big deal with Feature Interviews?
Feature Interviews are an INVALUABLE resource for writers and illustrators at every stage of their publishing journey. Not only are they a great way to stay current on market trends and learn more about the industry’s ins and outs, but they also give readers an up close & personal look at the world of publication from the perspectives of a diverse collection of creators.
Every month, I sit down with members of the writing community, and we discuss everything publishing.
Here are some of the things we talk about:
Writing Workshops & Resources
Diversity in literature and Why it matters
Where to find support & community
How to improve writing craft & set goals
How to deal with setbacks/disappointments & WAITING
Helpful tips & suggestions for aspiring authors & illustrators
Querying agents, contract negotiations, book deals & time frames
And of course- NEW BOOKS!
So, now that you know what to expect… let’s get into our interview. This month, I’m talking to Children’s Book Author Heather Stigall.
Heather Pierce Stigall: Bio
Heather Stigall uses her experience with children and her degrees in Child Development, Psychology-based Human Relations, and Social Work to create stories that speak to kids. She is the Critique Group/Meet & Greet Coordinator for the Eastern PA SCBWI Chapter, a member of the 12×12 Picture Book Challenge, and a wife and parent to five children and one pup. When she’s not writing, you can find Heather hanging out with her kids (hopefully at the beach), reading, eating chocolate, baking, or creating all sorts of treasures. Her debut picture book, PAISLEY’S BIG BIRTHDAY (Clavis Publishing) was released in August 2023 and is/will be published in five additional languages. Her second picture book, GILBERT AND THE GHOST, (Beaming Books) is due out fall 2026. You can connect with Heather through her website, HeatherPierceStigall.com, and her social media links at https://linktr.ee/HeatherStigall.
The Beginning: First Drafts & Querying Agents: Timeframe & Challenges
For a lot of us writers and illustrators who have been involved with the industry for a while, we know that publishing takes a loooong time. I mean, a REALLY long time. And waiting can be difficult.
Something common I've noticed with new aspiring writers and illustrators who are just beginning is that many have the idea that publishing is easy, anyone can do it, and that as soon as you start putting in the work, things will automatically just take off. And of course, when that doesn’t happen, it can be discouraging. So, I wanted to start our conversation today with the early stages- the first drafts and querying.
Can you share a little bit about the beginning of your writing journey? What did your first drafts & querying stages look like?
Thank you for having me on your blog, Chelsea. You are so right! Publishing often takes a very long time, and my path to publication story is no exception. I have always loved children and picture books and even jotted down ideas for stories over many years, but it wasn’t until my youngest child was in preschool that I decided the time was right to get serious about a writing career. That was ten years ago! I started out slowly by learning about writing picture books and children’s publishing, joining SCBWI (The Society of Children’s Book Writers and Illustrators), joining a critique group, and doing a lot of writing and revising. I gradually became more involved with the kidlit world. My first drafts were, of course, terrible. They often still are! But, over the years I’ve learned more about how to make them better, and I think the magic comes in the revision. I heard so much advice about not querying too soon, that I was nervous to query at all. But I finally felt ready when I had three picture book manuscripts that had been through multiple revisions, critiques, and gotten the stamp of approval from my critique partners.
**Ahh. Those words are so true. For anyone reading this, please take note: THE MAGIC COMES IN THE REVISION. Remember that. It will help you down the road.**
How long did it take you to finally get your agent call?
My agent and publishing journey has been quite a roller coaster ride. To summarize how I got to where I am today: 2018 - I started querying agents.
2019 - In addition to agents, I began querying one story to a few smaller presses who accepted un-agented submissions.
2020/21 – In addition to agents, I queried a few more stories to a few more small presses.
March 2021 - I was offered a book contract (while I was un-agented) for PAISLEY’S BIG BIRTHDAY (expected publication date spring 2023; that got pushed to August 2023)
October 2021 - I received an agent offer (after querying a different story) and accepted; we went out on submission very shortly after.
April 2022 - While agented, I was offered a book contract for GILBERT AND THE GHOST (expected publication date fall 2024).
October 2022/January 2023 – My agent submitted another picture book to two rounds of editors.
March 2023 – My agent gave me the sad news that she decided to not represent authors any longer, but she will rep me on the story still on submission if it ever gets an offer.
May 2023 – My GILBERT editor shared cover sketches.
June 2023 – I began querying new agents; My GILBERT editor informed me her position at her publisher was eliminated; her replacement informed me the book will now not be published until fall 2026.
August to Present Day – PAISLEY’S BIG BIRTHDAY published. I’m actively querying agents, and I’m still waiting for word from a handful of editors who still have the book my former agent submitted.
I told you it was a roller coaster ride!
Whew! That's quite the list. What were some of the challenges you faced during those early stages, and how did you overcome them?
I encountered the usual challenges: struggling to find time to write, difficulty “justifying” the time and money on writing-related things on a “maybe” career; and rejection. As for how I deal with them, I have an amazingly supportive family and critique partners who have all cheered me on and helped give me the time and space I needed to devote to writing. For example, my mom took care of my youngest child at least one day a month so I could attend my critique group meetings. She gradually increased the frequency of her grandma duties so I could use that time to write. One fun thing I did, and continue to do, to help me deal with rejections is to use a “rejection jar” (I wish I knew who to credit with this idea!). Every time I get a rejection, I put a dollar in a jar. When I get a “yes,” I spend the money on something for myself. When I got my first book contract, I used the money in the jar for a massage. I got to empty the jar again when I received my agent offer and again with my second book contract. Now the jar is filling up waiting for the next “yes.”
Resources & Advice for Aspiring Writers & Illustrators
What are some of the best resources you’ve come across & how have they helped you on your writing journey?
Oh, so many! Probably the best thing I did was join SCBWI. That put me in touch with my local region of children’s writers and illustrators which opened my eyes and doors to so much more. Through that one resource, I found an amazing critique group, learned about writing and the kidlit industry by attending conferences and webinars, connected with industry professionals, and learned about many other resources out there. It also led to a fulfilling volunteer position with my region, the Eastern PA Chapter, and a great group of fellow volunteers who have become friends. As for other resources, I have actually compiled a list for children’s writers and illustrators that you can access through the Resources page of my websiteHERE.
Looking back, is there anything you would do differently in those early stages of the writing & querying process?
I really don’t think so. Any “mistakes” I might have made along the way I consider things I needed to do to learn from them.
I love that! What suggestions would you like to share with aspiring writers and illustrators?
Rely on the four “P”s: Prepare, Practice, Positive attitude, and Persist!
Book Deals: Time Frame & Contract Negotiations
So, we talked about the querying timeframe. Now, let’s dive into book deals. We’ve landed our dream agent- YAY! (In your case- Beth Marshea of Ladderbird Agency!) Now what?? How long did it take you to get your first book deal? And what was that process like?
As I mentioned above, my first book deal came about while I was un-agented, so I’ll share both stories about my debut picture book contract and my second book contract that came about while I was represented by Beth.By 2021, I hadn’t had any luck signing with an agent, so I made it my goal to not only query agents but also small presses that allowed un-agented submissions. One of those presses was Clavis Books, a well-established, reputable company that publishes authors and illustrators from around the world. During the pandemic, Clavis posted several read-aloud videos, so I got a feel for their tastes and wondered if a story I had written several years prior might be a good fit for their list. I pulled PAISLEY’S BIG BIRTHDAY out of the virtual drawer, made a few small changes, and submitted it to them in February 2021. A month after submitting to Clavis, I received an email from the CEO. I scanned it quickly and read, “It is a nice and sweet story, very close to children and told from their perspective.” I expected the rest to read the typical, “but, unfortunately, it isn’t a fit for our list.” But it didn’t say that. Instead, it said, “So, we would like to consider publication.” After so many rejections, I could hardly believe what I was reading!All the while, I was actively querying agents with other manuscripts. One of those manuscripts was about a boy who wanted to befriend a ghost he believed lived in his neighborhood. That story is the one that landed me my agent in early October 2021 and was also the one we went on submission with at the end of that same month. Beth had a couple of very minor suggestions to tweak the manuscript and the pitch, and then it was ready to go. She subbed it to a round of 11 editors. Of those, eight passed and three never responded (so we assumed passed). In February 2022, we went out on a second round to 10 editors. In March, an editor at Beaming Books said she wanted to share it with her team. A week or two later, she came back with some questions, which I answered, and then in April she extended an offer!
A lot of people who are just starting out in publishing wonder, “Why do you have to have an agent?” So, leading into that question, I want to talk a little about agents and book deals. Can you tell us, from your experience, about publishing contracts & negotiations and explain why having an agent is so important?
You certainly don’t “have” to have an agent, but being represented by an agent does have several advantages. For example, agents can submit your story to publishing houses that are otherwise closed to un-agented authors and illustrators (unless by referral or conference connection). Often these houses are the ones that offer larger advances and print runs. Agents can also often negotiate better deals than authors/illustrators can on their own. Comparing my two contracts, one with a small house that accepts un-agented submissions and the other negotiated with an agent, I can tell you that I got a better deal with the agent-negotiated contract. Part of an agent’s job is to form relationships with editors so they can get a feel for what stories might be the best fit for which editors and publishers. Plus (and I love this) the agent is the one doing the research, submitting, monitoring, following up on submissions and payments, negotiating contracts, etc., so the author/illustrator can focus on the writing and illustrating. An agent-author relationship is a partnership and, of course, I was kept aware of what was going on and had input into all the decisions made, but it was such a relief to know Beth was dealing with all the stuff I didn’t want to stress about.
Throughout the publishing process, were there any challenges you experienced? If so, what were they, and how were you able to overcome them?
I think my roller coaster timeline above covers the challenges I’ve experienced in the last couple of years. I try to have a positive attitude, and the rejection jar helps, but I also think leaning on my critique partners when I’m feeling low helps tremendously. Find your people!
Fantastic advice. I couldn't have put it any better myself.
The Best & The Worst
If you could sum up the best and worst parts of publishing, what would they be?
Worst: Publishing picture books is very competitive. And I don’t mean in a cut-throat way at all. There are so many wonderfully talented writers out there who all want, and deserve, to have their book published. But there is only so much space on the shelf and money in the pockets of publishers, so even the best-written and illustrated story might not get into the hands of young readers.Best: I love the kidlit community! Just about all the writers, illustrators, agents, editors, educators, and, of course, young readers that I’ve encountered have been so friendly, encouraging, and supportive.
In your opinion, what makes the journey worth it?
I just had my book launch party and, I have to say, reading a book that I wrote to a group of children is pretty darn great!
Any words of encouragement for your readers?
Focus on the things you can control (learn your craft, write, revise, read in your genre, join a critique group, research, submit, etc.), find your community (writing partners, a support system, cheerleaders), and persevere! The only guarantee to not being published is giving up, so keep at it!
Books, Illustration & Inspiration
Okay, now it’s time to talk about my favorite thing. Books! Tell us about your books & your inspiration behind them.
The origins of PAISLEY’S BIG BIRTHDAY began nine years ago when I picked up my youngest child from preschool on his birthday. He climbed into his car seat, wearing a glittery birthday crown and a slight frown. The conversation began something like this:
Birthday Boy: “When is my birthday?”
Me: “Today!
Birthday Boy: (shakes his head) “No. When is my real birthday?”
Me: “Today is your real birthday!”
Birthday Boy: “It doesn’t feel like it.”
My mind began to spin. Why didn’t he feel like it was his birthday? Did something happen or not happen at school? What would it take for him to feel like it was his “real” birthday? A few questions later, I realized that he believed that on his birthday, he would instantly “feel” older; he would magically be able to do things he wasn’t able to do the day before. But I kept the conversation going during the ride home, through lunch, and for some time after that. I asked lots of questions and listened as he shared evidence for why it was most definitely not his birthday. I was enamored with his reasoning and determination, while underneath it all, I felt his disappointment that this day, one that was supposed to be special, didn’t meet his expectations. Not long after, I wrote a draft of a story about a bunny who hops out of bed the morning of her birthday, expecting to be all things “big bunny.”
As we know, in Kidlit, half of our story is in the illustration- so let’s talk about pictures! Can you share a little bit about your illustrators and how they helped bring each story and character to life?
Clavis always produces beautifully illustrated picture books, so I knew I would be in good hands, but I really hit the jackpot when they chose Natallia Bushuyeva as the illustrator! I think her sweet art style is the perfect fit for PAISLEY. Unlike most U.S. publishers, Clavis makes it a practice to connect author and illustrator so they may collaborate if they wish. But I have no business telling an illustrator what to do, so I put my full trust in Natallia, and I think that worked out beautifully. I only included two art notes in the manuscript, which were to suggest actions that might not be understood in the text. The publisher shared illustrations with me at several points along the way: interior sketches, first color illustrations, proposed Dutch cover, final cover, full interior, and later, the English cover and full interior. Natallia had some suggestions for tweaking the art before approving it to go to print, and I asked them to move some text to another page. Clavis agreed to all our requests. It was a very collaborative process.
Do you have a favorite spread or image in your books? Which ones and why?
I love all of Natallia’s illustrations, of course, but I guess I’m partial to the spread of spot illustrations where Paisley is getting ready for her party. I love the little details like Paisley’s face peeking through as she blows up the balloon and Pip observing nearby (with a worried expression) when Paisley spills the punch. I especially love the expression on Paisley’s face in the last vignette. Natallia perfectly captures the frustration Paisley is feeling at that moment.
Thank you so much, Heather, for all of your insightful feedback. We’re so grateful to have had you with us today. Before we end our interview, we have one last item on the agenda. And it’s a big one…
October 2023 Giveaway Prize
This month, Heather will be giving away a choice of EITHER a signed copy of PAISLEY’S BIG BIRTHDAY OR a written critique of a fiction picture book (up to 750 words) as a giveaway prize.
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Hello kidlit friends, are you as pumped as I am? The only thing more exciting than pumpkins in October is the #FallWritingFrenzy!
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Among the many helpful blog posts I put out for readers like librarian-recommended book lists specific to reading group age or genre, one of the most exciting things I offer are monthly Feature Interview segments. On the first of every month, I publish feature interviews with members of the writing community, where we discuss all things publishing.
These interviews are an INVALUABLE resource for creators at all stages of the publishing journey. We talk about writing workshops, resources, diversity in literature and why it matters, where to find support and community, how to improve writing craft and set goals, how to deal with setbacks, disappointments, and waiting, helpful tips and suggestions for aspiring authors and illustrators, querying agents, contract negotiations, book deals, and time frames, and of course- new books!
Now that I’ve shared that little tidbit with you… back to our Fall Writing Frenzy!
I’m so excited to share my story with you all.
But before I do, I want to explain a little bit about the background of what this story means to me and why I wrote it.
From a very early age, I had a deep emotional connection to music. Though I enjoyed all music, I found a “home” in orchestras and symphonies because they allowed my mind to form a connection of understanding that I had never before experienced with people. For me, a symphony is a neurodiverse lullaby.
Being on the neurodivergent spectrum (ADHD), my mind doesn’t always stay on one path or at one volume. It ebbs and flows, sometimes unexpectedly. This can present challenges for me in everyday verbal communication because my emotions and thoughts don’t translate or flow into words in the same pattern as many of my neurotypical peers. The chaos and structure in my mind play out differently… much like a symphony.
So, now that you have an idea of my inspiration, here is the image that I associated with this story. I hope you’ll enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.
All my love,
Chelsea
Photo 7 by Jonas Mohamadi
My Mind is a Symphony (199 words) by Chelsea DiCicco
When I hear the rushing sounds of the clarinet…
The zip of the flute…
The swish of the violin strings…
The calming purr of the cello…
The sharp squawk of the oboe…
The gentle strum of the harp…
I am home.
My mind whirs
Tumbles
And dances
To the warm embrace of chaos and structure
Quick! LOUD bursts
And slow, soft melodies
Blended together to create something spectacular
Like my thoughts
Never staying in one place
…Or at one volume
S c a t t e r e d
Like wild notes
Strewn across a sheet of music
One moment, fast and excited like Flight of the Bumblebee,
The next, calm and smooth, like Moonlight Sonata.
A constantly moving orchestra of dreams…
Leaping, wriggling, cascading off one another.
Flitting from one idea to the next.
I shut my eyes and take a deep breath,
Letting the vibrations pulse through my brain,
Like a kaleidoscope of butterflies.
Fluttering
Frenzied
Free!
An ensemble of energy fills me from head to toe.
Here, only here, is my mind in complete harmony.
Finally, at peace.
My thoughts echo every long pause
And shift of volume…
And mirror each sudden blast of sound and change in tempo.
My mind is a symphony.
Thank you for reading!
If you have a friend or family member on any spectrum under the neurodiverse umbrella, and are looking for a list of neurodiverse reads (for any age) be sure to check out my personalized list of over 100 book recommendations + resources. Additionally, if you’re looking for a gentle picture book, (with gorgeous watercolor illustrations) that explores ADHD/Autism and embraces themes of finding beauty in your differences- aka “gifts,” take a peek at my book, ADHD and Me.
And now, a round of thank you’s
For everyone reading today, please give a warm thank you in the comments to all of our guest judges & prize donors who have worked so hard to volunteer their time and energy to sift through these gems and select winners from among them, to help mentor writers on their path to growth and publication. And of course, we can’t forget our wonderful host, Kaitlyn Sanchez! I believe 2023 marks the fifth year of this wonderful annual contest. If you don’t know who Kaitlyn Sanchez is… please, by all means, go and visit her website! Not only is she a champion and supporter of writers and illustrators as a Literary Agent, she’s also the host of various writing contests and events like the Spring Fling Contest, Kidlit Fall Writing Frenzy Contest and Kidlit Zombie Week, – and she offers a ton of fantastic resources to other fun writing contests and events on her website, so please, take a moment to stop by.
