Today, I’m talking with Alaskan mom and award-winning author of fun books for kids, Brooke Hartman. In addition to writing books for kids, Brooke also serves as an Adjunct Instructor of Writing and Publishing for Alaska Pacific University and as a board member (Treasurer & Conference Committee) for the Alaska Writers Guild.

We’ll be discussing behind-the-scenes publishing and answering questions like how to know WHEN a story is ready to start querying/submitting to an agent/editor, how to handle rejection, and when to know it’s time to shelve a project.

And sharing tips on how to balance motherhood with writing.

But before we jump into our interview… here are a few things to know about feature interviews.

THE SCOOP: WHAT ARE FEATURE INTERVIEWS & WHO ARE THEY FOR?

Feature Interviews are a free resource for writers and illustrators at every stage of the publishing journey.

Every month, I collaborate with industry professionals—authors, illustrators, editors, and agents— many of whom were or currently are also educators and librarians, to discuss all things publishing.

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These interviews give readers an up-close and personal look at the world of publishing from an array of different perspectives on every side of the desk and offer insight into tips, resources, and advice on how to:

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• discover workshops, contests, and other events
• figure out which path of publication is right for you
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Not that we’ve shared a little about what’s in store… it’s time to jump into our interview!

INTRODUCTIONS + BEGINNING STAGES OF PUBLISHING

Brooke, it’s so nice to have you on the blog with us today for our last feature interview of 2024. I hope your year has been amazing. Before we get into the meat of our interview, tell us, where are you from, and what do you write?

Hello, Chelsea! I was born and raised in Anchorage, Alaska, and despite multiple escape attempts, I still live here today. Don’t get me wrong, this state is BREATHTAKING, and a visit should definitely be on everyone’s bucket list. But after seven months of snow, even my die-hard Alaskan husband gets cabin fever.  

And are you currently agented? If so, by who, and what agency?

I’m agented by the talented and wonderful Sera Rivers of Speilberg Literacy. 

Wonderful! Thank you for sharing. When did you start seriously pursuing publication, and what was that early journey like?  

Like many authors, I started writing as a young kiddo, always scribbling poems or turning essay assignments into stories (often to my teacher’s chagrin). Then, in my early twenties, I came up with a story idea for a young adult fantasy novel and hit that laptop HARD. Over the next decade, I edited that manuscript probably half a dozen times and even had an agent for it at one point! But if there’s anything I’ve learned in the publishing industry, it’s that writing has to land at the exact right moment at the exact right time, and we never can tell when that time and place may be. When my first kiddo was born in 2012, my creative writing juices started forming into new picture book popsicle shapes, so I turned my pen (er, laptop) toward that format…  and loved it! My first picture book came out in 2019, and this last year, I released my seventh and eighth books. That YA fantasy might still be simmering on my laptop somewhere, but It still led me on quite the publishing journey nonetheless! 

Were there any writing organizations, groups, or something else that helped you in those early stages of your publishing? 

If you aren’t a member of SCBWI, stop reading this right now and go join (don’t worry, you can come back and read the rest of this later). Attending conferences, reading The Book from cover to cover multiple times, and being an active member of local SCBWI critique groups and events were essential to my path to publication. I also joined a local writing organization, the Alaska Writers Guild, which teams up with our local chapter of SCBWI for an annual conference. The editors, agents, and other publishing professionals I’ve had the chance to interact with and receive writing feedback from have been invaluable. 

You mentioned that you’re a mom. And as pretty much everyone knows, being a mom is basically already a FULL-TIME job. What has your experience been like writing for kids while raising them? And how have you been able to balance your publishing career with motherhood? 

I’m a mom of two semi-young kiddos and have a day job in behavioral health, so squeezing in writing time isn’t easy. But I’ve found that if I don’t find time to write, I become a very grouchy person! To help me focus on writing, I go to my nearby Starbucks, where I basically have my own table at this point. At the coffee shop, no dogs need to be walked, no laundry needs to be folded, and no closets need organizing. Leaving all the distractions of home behind really helps force me to open that laptop and write!

I’m sure there are some moms out there (hopefully reading this blog article today) with wonderful story ideas in their heads, and maybe even written down, who might be a bit hesitant to make the jump into publishing. For any of those moms reading this article, what advice would you like to share with them?

As moms, we can have ALL the ideas and NONE of the time! We’re already so stretched thin with kids’, kid activities, making dinner and all the lunches, and sometimes the requirements of a day job that finding time to even think about thinking about writing seems tough. I’ve found that looking over my weekly schedule and trying to pinpoint (and create) those little nuggets of time to write and then sticking to those times helps a lot. For instance, if I already have an appointment or work event on Tuesday, I try to cram my grocery shopping and anything else on that day, which leaves Monday and maybe Wednesday for more of an open time to write. 

“…if there’s anything I’ve learned in the publishing industry, it’s that writing has to land at the exact right moment at the exact right time, and we never can tell when that time and place may be.” – Brooke Hartman

“At the coffee shop, no dogs need to be walked, no laundry needs to be folded, and no closets need organizing. Leaving all the distractions of home behind really helps force me to open that laptop and write!” – Brooke Hartman

BEHIND THE SCENES OF PUBLISHING: HOW TO KNOW WHEN A STORY IS READY + HANDLING REJECTION + SHELVING PROJECTS

“…projects might go to sleep for a while or even go into hibernation, but they’re never officially “dead”!” – Brooke Hartman

Okay, so we talked a little about the beginning stages of publishing. Now, let’s talk about some of those nitty-gritty details. One thing that many early writers struggle with is knowing “when” a story is really ready. How do you know when a story is truly ready to query/submit to an agent/editor?

The truth is… I have no clue when a story is ready! Sometimes, I think a story might need more work, and my critique group/agent/editor LOVE it. Other times, I wrestle with a project dozens of times, and still they find some issue with it. My only tactic that seems to work is to have my critique group go through any new project at least twice, once for the big issues and once again to make sure I fixed those big issues and for the little tweaks I’ might have missed. Then I send it to my agent and say, what do you think? If she gives it the thumbs up, then off it goes on its submission quest. What happens next is only a combination of luck, magic, held breaths, and wishing on 11:11s. 

Speaking of agents and editors, any writer in the traditional world of writing knows that rejection is a part of the process and it’s just a reality of publishing. Everybody faces rejection at one point or the other, and often, more often than not. But writers aren’t the only ones facing rejection. Agents are, too. And it stings every time. But, as you continue growing as a writer, each sting becomes a little less painful because you’ve adapted that thicker skin (which you really need to have) of endurance. That being said… for newer writers, those rejections can REALLY sting. How were you able to cope with rejection in your early stages of publishing?

This is my best advice for rejection (and if any readers take one thing away from this interview, I hope it’s this): always, always, always be working on more than one project at once. If you’re hedging all your bets on a single lonely picture book text to fulfill all your writerly hopes and dreams, I’m not saying you’ll automatically be rejected, but if you are, having at least two or three other projects in the works will help lessen that sting a LOT. I think of publishing as a game of darts; over time, writers get better at hitting the bullseye. But if you can throw multiple darts at once, that only ups the odds and makes it less painful if we miss the mark.

Such good advice! And so true.

For any new writers who may be reading this today, who may currently or recently have been facing rejection and fighting discouragement, what words of wisdom or comfort would you like to share with them?

In the immortal words of Jason Nesmith from Galaxy Quest, “Never give up, never surrender!” Just keep writing, getting feedback, and submitting. Write something new. Dust off something old. Get feedback anywhere and when you can. But also try to be savvy about how you’re submitting and when; if you keep getting the same feedback from peers or professionals, maybe it’s time to listen to them and give that angle a try. You can always save your first version and go back to it if that’s the one that speaks to your heart!

Oh my goodness. My dad would be cheering right now. Galaxy Quest is his favaorite movie, and he used to say this line all the time when I was a kid. Fun fact: he still says it now that I'm an adult too. Also, what terrific advice. Yes!

Now, let’s go in a different direction. Seasoned writers know that not all projects, realistically, will or can be published. Which means that sometimes, we have to shelve projects. And shelving a project doesn’t necessarily mean that it will never see the light of day. Sometimes, it means that it’s a project that isn’t right for today’s marketing climate… but it could be just right for tomorrow’s. And this is a tricky thing because so much of it is reliant on chance and unknown factors. What would you say is an indicator that it’s time to shelve a project? When do you know it’s time?

Man, I have too many shelved projects to count! To date, I have at least three or four projects that have gone on submission, and years later… crickets. But honestly, I don’t think a project is ever really shelved. You just never know when an agent or editor will say, Gosh I really wish I had a project about X. And they just named YOUR project! Case in point, the very first picture book I ever wrote back in 2012 is now on R&R with an editor. So, projects might go to sleep for a while or even go into hibernation, but they’re never officially “dead”!

I love that. What a great way of looking at it!

“This is my best advice for rejection (and if any readers take one thing away from this interview, I hope it’s this): always, always, always be working on more than one project at once.” – Brooke Hartman

“… I think of publishing as a game of darts; over time, writers get better at hitting the bullseye. But if you can throw multiple darts at once, that only ups the odds and makes it less painful if we miss the mark.” – Brooke Hartman

OVERCOMING ROAD BUMPS + EMBRACING THE JOURNEY + HIGHLIGHTS

What have been some of the challenges you’ve faced on your publishing journey, and how have you been able to overcome them?

This interview isn’t long enough to list all the challenges and speedbumps on my publishing journey. We’d need our own podcast just for that! But some of the biggest ones have been when two of my picture books that were contracted and almost complete (illustrated and everything!) suddenly found themselves without a publisher. One had to do with COVID (curse you, COVID!), and the other had to do with a sudden publisher buyout. 

*GASP* I can only imagine what you must have been feeling!

At both times, I felt gutted. I’d been so close to holding those books in my hands, only to have them swiped away at the last second. But guess what? Like the near-final Bluey episode, The Sign, you never know how bad luck can turn into good luck. As it turns out, both of those projects found new homes with absolutely wonderful publishers (one of which I’ll be releasing my third book with next year!) 

For those who may be facing similar challenges now, what words of wisdom would you like to offer?

While rejection can be devastating, you never know what it will lead to in the future. Keep an open mind and look forward!

Beatiful words of wisdom!

Okay, we've touched on the struggles. Now, let's talk about the wins. What have been some of your publishing highlights- this can be ANYTHING?!

Oh wow, I don’t know how I can narrow these down! Just seeing a book published is such a highlight. Only six or seven years ago, after writing with the intent to traditionally publish for over fifteen years, I was still wondering whether I’d ever be a published author. Now, I have eight books out and five more publishing in the next couple of years. But some of my real highlights have been seeing kiddos and parents at book events, and the mom or dad stops and exclaims, “Oh my gosh, this is YOUR book? It’s our son’s/daughter’s favorite; they read it every night!” There’s honestly no greater reward in publishing than that.

Speaking of highlights… let’s talk about visits!

“While rejection can be devastating, you never know what it will lead to in the future. Keep an open mind and look forward!” – Brooke Hartman

AUTHOR VISITS

We’d love to hear about some of your author visits. Where have you visited? When? And what kind of feedback did you receive? 

I do a lot of author visits here in Alaska, and they’re always full of new surprises. You never know what kids are going to ask, though I’m still trying new responses for the inevitable question of “How old are you?” Here’s what I’ve got so far:
-	I’m “Mom” years old
-	I was born before you were.
-	I was born before the internet was invented (this usually results in a few gasps from the audience)
-	I lost count! How old do you think I am?
I’m open to other suggestions if anyone has them!

For writers who are either newly published or soon to be, who may have questions about navigating author visits, could you tell us a little bit about how you handle your visits? Do you schedule them? If not you, is it the publisher? Do bookstores/libraries/schools reach out to you directly, or do you reach out to them, or is it a bit of both? Etc.

I schedule all my author visits. My schedule is so insane between kid activities, work events, and writing needs that I can’t even imagine anyone else trying to schedule these for me. But I do have a fun event coming up in February of 2025 with Bookelicious, a nationwide live virtual author visit (and you get five free books to boot)! It’s such a great opportunity for remote schools that don’t often get the opportunity to host a children’s book author in person or for schools that aren’t near where an author of interest may live. If you’re an educator, I highly suggest looking into Bookelicious’ upcoming author events; they’re spectacular!

That sounds amazing! Thanks for sharing that resource for our teachers out there (and maybe librarians too!)

Another GREAT thing for authors to know is that - your time is valuable. And while yes, you can definitely offer to do free events (especially for smaller, local community places, like perhaps your local library, or independent book store, which may not have as much funding), there’s also nothing wrong with getting paid for your time and services, especially when it involves some sort of commute. I saw that you have your Author Visit Rates listed on your website, which I think is such a fantastic thing for authors to do and be aware of doing. In reading this, it led me to a few other questions. For these visits, how does the pay side of things work? Are you paid upfront in full? Or is there a good-faith deposit made prior and the rest upon completion of the event? Are there extra fees/charges that need to be applied if you have to travel somewhere? Or do you only offer local and/or virtual visits? If you could share a little bit more about these details, that would be great.

I feel like having my author rates on my website helps avoid a lot of tough conversations, but in general, if a venue is reaching out to me to do an event, usually the idea is that they’ll be paying me based on my advertised rates. If I’m reaching out to them (say a bookstore or library to do a book launch event), then no fee is involved–the idea is that they’re helping spread the word about my new book while I help them with their Saturday storytime and craft hour, or something similar. If a fee is involved, I now always do a contract and/or invoice, depending on what sort of event it is. The total amount and when the fee is due is always listed on there somewhere. As for when it’s due, I usually have the payment due at or around the time of an event, keeping in mind that for school district-related events, they usually have to wait for the event to conclude before a check is cut. 

OKAY. Now it’s time for BOOKS.

BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS!

Your motto is that you write “fun books.” We’d love to hear more! Could you tell us about some of your stories and their inspirations?

I have a couple of rules I try to follow when writing all of my books:
1)	The story has to be fun and catchy, with perhaps a little nugget of learning or a heaping spoonful of nonfiction hidden in plain sight. For a lot of these, adding back matter really helps. It allows me to have fun with the story knowing all of the more nitty gritty nonfiction can be added at the end.
2)	The final book has to be something my husband would pull off the shelf to read to our kids. As far as picture books are concerned, he is the toughest critic I know and sets the bar high, but I strive to meet it every time! 

What do you hope your readers will come away with after reading one of your books?

First and foremost, I want them to have enjoyed the story, and maybe laugh a little. If they learned something in the process, even better!

Any last words of wisdom that you’d like to share with readers today?

Just this: so often, I’m approached by others who have written a story and want to know “how to get it published.” I give them much of the same advice I’ve given in this interview, but in the end, no two paths to publication are the same. Each individual has to find their own way for their own stories. It just takes dedication, research, time, and of course… writing!

Thank you so much for joining us today, Brooke.

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